Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 17:30:13 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <87frn50zjp.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87y10vzo35.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87ser3zgez.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <31b54c73b9adc7947fe72779bbca45f8d2a51e2d@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 22:30:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1772450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US On 12/7/24 4:31 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 12/7/2024 4:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 12/7/24 5:44 AM, WM wrote: >>> On 06.12.2024 14:30, joes wrote: >>>> Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 17:04:58 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> On 05.12.2024 13:56, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 12:42:17 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> >>>>>>> But every number you can take belongs to a vanishing subset of ℕ. >>>>>> What does that have to do with the ability to be "chosen"? >>>>> It is impossible to choose a number outside of a tiny subset. >>>> Duh. There are no other numbers. >>> >>> May be. My statements however concern completed infinity. The subset >>> is never complete. >>> >>> Regards, WM >>> >> >> And thus the limit of the subsets is not complete either, per your >> logic of a limit of constants is always that same constant. Thus, your >> trying to define the complete infinity just fails. > > WM seems to think that "completed" means there simply must be a largest > natural number? I can only guess here. He seems to think that Completed means all of them, but then he assumes that if you have "all" of a set, that set must have a last element. This comes from the fact that the only sets he can have are finite, and complete finite sets have a last element. He just doesn't get that a complete infinite set doesn't necessarily have a "last" element in it, because that concept is just unimaginable to his tiny brain.