Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 13:58:03 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <349430b1223591beb2ebea42b5f3a9e64ea8d795@i2pn2.org> <39d1fae0d0e03ceb82a6a7c722581d5e84d4998f@i2pn2.org> <6f73ca664f7017ea34651a485a4bd3602e9cbe57@i2pn2.org> <95dfcfe45b6318fbe82dd954fcb693d5b8841081@i2pn2.org> <1b3a3dc9f02c82efb21e61e4ead54c8184f0e0f6@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 20:58:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="34206cc7dd9bba6d4f314e0213acf504"; logging-data="1139827"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/WpQqcYeFrqrL5CuR51NGM" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:iL6oTlXAuDtNyCg6eqNeCc70Vhk= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <1b3a3dc9f02c82efb21e61e4ead54c8184f0e0f6@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241204-6, 12/4/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 4795 On 12/4/2024 1:22 PM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 04 Dec 2024 13:14:20 -0600 schrieb olcott: >> On 12/4/2024 9:32 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Tue, 03 Dec 2024 17:08:34 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 12/3/2024 3:03 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Mon, 02 Dec 2024 20:48:49 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 11/28/2024 1:48 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:35:16 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 11:32 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:07:16 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 10:51 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:47:10 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 10:27 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:16:15 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/2024 4:04 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:15:41 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 8:03 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/24 8:28 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/27/2024 6:14 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> If HHH halts at all, it needs to return that HHH halts. >>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly halt. >>>>>>>>>> You can fail to understand that, you can lie about that, it >>>>>>>>>> remains immutably a verified fact none-the-less. >>>>>>>>> Yes, HHH can't simulate itself. >>>>>>>> The code proves that HHH does emulate itself emulating DDD why >>>>>>>> lie? >>>>>>> The code proves that HHH aborts. >>>>>> You said: >>>>>> >>> HHH can't simulate itself. >>>>>> That is WRONG !!! >>>>>> HHH DOES EMULATE ITSELF PROVING THAT IT CAN EMULATE ITSELF. >>>>> We know that HHH halts. It doesn't simulate itself halting. >>>> Please try and explain how you are not dishonest what you try to >>>> change the subject from my rebuttal of your statement: >>>> >>> HHH can't simulate itself. >>>> That HHH does emulate itself emulating DDD proves THAT IT CAN DO THIS. >>> I'm not changing the subject. HHH is a decider, right? >> We have not begun to get to that point of the conversation yet. We have >> only been talking about the emulation of DDD by HHH for three months. > For that it seems relevant what HHH does. Ok, it simulates some number > of steps of its input, potentially forever? > >> *We must go though my proof ONE-STEP-AT-A-TIME* > Only you must. Why? Just give me the full thing, if you have it. > It is impossibly too difficult to understand unless we achieve mutual agreement on each point before moving on to the next point. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer