Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: yeti Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Alternatives To Xwitter Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:26:02 +0042 Organization: Democratic Order of Pirates International (DOPI) Lines: 59 Message-ID: <87y11aok31.fsf@tilde.institute> References: <20241122161448.21706a81@ryz.dorfdsl.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:44:05 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d01e7d3ac0679593f55bca69fbd15858"; logging-data="1490076"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+jRUvltOKFxJt+OPE/5Bc2" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TJ6KWOpFSGrPsmAcKEXcwj9rz3o= sha1:4CZOhzDonaa3Z3t/JJnlKLp5WhY= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAAiklEQVQY02NgoCUQOASmOJwPAElGjuQfIIrH8A9IsK3wJ0jFMcPHDUAVxywPNzCw8Dy3bD7AwMzy+Q/7AQbGvuq57QsYGI+brz+fwMDw+9re/x8YGLPcFP8/YGBccaTg4QcG5o4WBeYGBnaBngTDBJBFDvUHQBY5/G8AWXHgH9j65h9gitmBgfYAAJOqKugnjqEOAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "-Nh[_Q`f/iywEEk*gL\V>5N1AB*"sDJ8;EUV=C-0Y@WB9ePs{Cw>dh=u?}LO}?T(5_L2HX `mj:w>@KY3N6`v6Y!/<)"&OTwwj<}i=2g^/|Mp#95.z4HsbUizxbZ*4X085{X||BvThEN9wD=Q1o7" 5d3u_b|SUTt Bytes: 3954 Marco Moock wrote: > I've tried fediverse, but I still don't like the concept of the short > messages, especially when people post long text on multiple posts. The nodes in the Fediverse are very diverse: + Message lengths range from 500 chars to unlimited. + Some nodes have no ways to format stuff, others can use simple text, MarkDown and HTML to spice up things. "Simple text" unfortunately isn't fit for code snippets. So they even got plain text wrong by reflowing it and butchering indentation. + Some nodes can use hashtags, some cannot. (Or has that changed meanwhile?) And can you imagine sitting in an instance without usable markup and limited to 500 chars and then huge beautifully formatted posts from other instances fly by? I think this feature inequality will doom the Fediverse in the long run. > I enjoy Usenet and I enjoy that it is text-only Plain text that does not get butchered on the fly is more useful than even MarkDown in the Fediverse and I have never had a post rejected because of its size.[0] I clearly prefer Email and NNTP[1] over the new global noise. Hashtags not being able to mimic newsgroups even when they are supported leaves you with only some separated typically very noisy timelines. On small instances the purely server local TL is kind of bearable like a small forum, but big instances' local TLs aren't much different from the global TL which imo is just noise. Even assuming hashtags would work on all instances, hashtag hygiene is near to impossible to reach in large crowds. So groups, rooms or however you may want to call them need "solid walls" and I see no way ti get those there.. > and not full of pictures and memes. I definitely have no problem with HTML and images in posts gated from RSS or mailing lists to NNTP. Those origins have their own rules and having all this side by side with Usenet in the same reader definitely is nicer than needing to get used to an extra program, UI, keystrokes, .... for each type of those. ____________ 0: I've even disabled "beautifying" *b*, /i/, _ul_ in my newsreader to not disturb tables and ASCII art and I expect every serious Usenet user to use a monospaced font as default or to know how to toggle their reader's rendering on the fly. This might be kept for an other rant in some long winter night. 1: IMO: SMTP + NNTP = the original Fediverse -- Sent from an EmacsOS app named GNUS.