Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Datasheets and probability Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 13:08:02 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 14:08:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="94c89f424fa16962088bf878da483637"; logging-data="625607"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19hDYrpJkrsD3ED6tXydQ45SHdDqMzyftMqaoP0IN2jig==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:u/tCcpqq4PwT0DTxbxCxKantrQg= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2445 On 15/12/2024 01:50, John S wrote: > Hi, men - > > There are sometimes 3 columns on a datasheet which may contain min, nom, > and max values. Like Vds for example. > > Is there any probability tacitly assigned to the values? I know that > nominal is the average, and I assume that the value lies between the two > middle one standard deviation points. > > 1. Is that a valid assumption? > > 2. Is the min between one and two standard deviations down from the mean? > > Thanks and I apologize for asking such a basic question in this > professional group. It is actually a rather deep and difficult to answer question in general because for some components the answer can be "it depends". Semiconductors I generally take it to mean ~3 sigma either side of the mean but design with a bit of extra margin so the 0.5% tail doesn't cause trouble. But for some components like resistors and capacitors that may be obtained in 10%, 5%, 2%, 1%, 0.1% tolerances you can find that the frequency distribution of the components in the wider tolerance bins consists of values that are almost *never* inside the narrower ones. IOW you are guaranteed at least 2% error in the 5% parts. It is a bit better today than it used to be when they made batches and then selected from the process output. These days it is all a lot more reproducible and laser trimmed for precision parts. -- Martin Brown