Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Todays rant Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 07:48:14 -0600 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 87 Message-ID: References: <181gljtmioa4ne2vlk605pbhs32gr7pi7k@4ax.com> <4gnhlj1gifu67ce73os02vgkb5eadq97oq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:48:15 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9d283f336393033ace0ecf6e05d84bbc"; logging-data="2274310"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/5z8YTYhOrNLU2Yqj/aS9X" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6ZdPfTKbNofArAXCfsw724IUPH8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4723 On 12/12/2024 7:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: > On 12/11/2024 4:59 PM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 12/11/2024 3:06 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>> On 12/11/2024 3:00 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 12/11/2024 12:10 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 12/11/2024 12:36 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>> On 12/11/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/11/2024 6:06 AM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reality is that ALL firearms are dangerious. [sic] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John, are ALL firearms equally dangerous? Really? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course not! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The AR was specifically designed to be more dangerous >>>>>>> to the enemy than its predecessor. If that were not >>>>>>> the objective, there would have been no need for a >>>>>>> new design. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That was 65 years ago. Designs have progressed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, although I haven't looked recently, for many >>>>>> years the #1 fatal round in USA was .22LR overwhelmingly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Without editing or rephrasing Mr Slocumb's comment, >>>>>> "all firearms are dangerous" in in fact obviously true. >>>>> >>>>> John was using "All firearms are dangerous" >>>>> specifically as a defense of wide proliferation of AR- >>>>> style rifles. Check the thread. By ignoring that fact, >>>>> his buddies are pretending that all levels of danger >>>>> are equally bad. >>>>> >>>>> Ignoring levels of danger is beyond absurd. If you >>>>> accept that, you may as well extend the concept to >>>>> straight pins, stairways, sunburn and hell, everything >>>>> else in the world. And you may as well advocate for >>>>> private ownership of nuclear weapons. >>>>> >>>>> (And I'll note that the gun fetishists here actually >>>>> _have_ tried to do that with other everyday items! I >>>>> won't remind people of their other chosen items, >>>>> because that will just set them off on other illogical >>>>> chases.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Every farmer in my are has plenty of ammonia rich >>>> fertilizer and a few hundred gallons of diesel. Not one >>>> of them has emulated Timothy McVeigh. Not once. >>>> >>>> Materiel is not volition. >>>> >>> >>> Ammonia-rich fertilizer and diesel fuel were not designed >>> with the intent to kill humans. >>> >>> >> >> Oh, for all the difference it made to 19 children; 168 >> people altogether. >> >> Perhaps the difference is in the act and the actor not the >> tool. > > Still a bad analogy, the same used to compare deaths from > car crashes, kitchen knives (any manner of pointy objects) - > all lethal when used with the intent to murder, but none > designed with the intent to murder. > > The AR-15 when used for the intended design is specifically > lethal to humans. That cannot be said for fertilizer, > ammonia, cars, ball-point pens...... > > So you agree with me that the crucial aspects are the actor and the act, not the hardware. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971