Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:53:38 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <4cb98b3918d6745f53bb19582b59e786d4af5022@i2pn2.org> <4654d9db2fa0906d7ab7a1c6c09139ab0b0110cd@i2pn2.org> <4eebe767dc236a7770566fc1593aae14a38cb085@i2pn2.org> <49bbc7f6ba667da66bc56c69db049774c066d084@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 00:53:39 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1eac21b2b931973af1a7b8c06e3541b3"; logging-data="3217447"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18NA+5N/EcgnMMhBrgFPDlO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:z1FIM3yiCWkgcWVrQAtroxvMBGQ= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241114-6, 11/14/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3843 On 11/14/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-11-13 23:11:30 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 11/13/2024 4:58 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-11-12 13:58:03 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 11/12/2024 1:12 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>> On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself >>>>>>>> emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems >>>>>>>> dishonest. >>>>>>> Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some >>>>>>> other HHH >>>>>>> that doesn’t abort. >>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final >>>>>> halt >>>>>> state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not. >>>>> When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to DDD, >>>>> which then halts. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It is not the same DDD as the DDD under test. >>> >>> If the DDD under the test is not the same as DDD then the test >>> is performed incorrectly and the test result is not valid. >>> >> >> The DDD under test IS THE INPUT DDD >> IT IS STUPIDLY WRONG-HEADED TO THINK OTHERWISE. > > I agree that there is only one DDD but above you said otherwise. > That is a ridiculously stupid thing to say because we already know that DDD emulated by HHH emulates itself emulating DDD and DDD emulated by HHH1 *DOES NOT DO THAT* -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer