Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 11:59:19 +0000 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <84211166-08c2-fd90-bfea-c1203f1d09db@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2024 12:59:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d0a9fc17b6f8caea45cd793b92a18377"; logging-data="3210544"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+hEggC2wwlXXcaqzswqvV5+A2eA5/dVmE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dUtoTtzgoK3POgTFu+LBVG+sryg= In-Reply-To: <84211166-08c2-fd90-bfea-c1203f1d09db@example.net> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2825 On 06/12/2024 17:12, D wrote: > If you postulate something which can never be known, it is kind of > useless. It goes the same way as god, or a postulated first mover etc. And yet that is what people do all the time. In fact it is the necessary foundation of thinking. All metaphysics - and we all use it, whether we understand that we do or not - is to assume the framework for our understanding, and use it not because it is demonstrably true, but because it *works* for us. We don't and can't *know* that time and space exist - at least in the way we understand them, but they do *work* for us, the way we understand them. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher