Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 05:31:45 +0000 Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <84211166-08c2-fd90-bfea-c1203f1d09db@example.net> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:31:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-lvUDuE3dzk0BBepG3zhF04CtTxhQ4wHe62Zm/T4/f4brL892gsMHchhgYtXViqFLjqEYwLg9rzV8z6Z!kSTbeiI+0P6AFw2gIpEqn8K5k9XsMwZswz5IOSPUd0wKXYXYniqIedZxLFHt37gSALnp59LpKgbr!6sEk/GlixXwI+Ek/f33t X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3015 On 12/7/24 6:59 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/12/2024 17:12, D wrote: >> If you postulate something which can never be known, it is kind of >> useless. It goes the same way as god, or a postulated first mover etc. > > And yet that is what people do all the time. In fact it is the necessary > foundation of thinking. > > All metaphysics - and we all use it, whether we understand that we do or > not -  is to assume the framework for our understanding, and use it not > because it is demonstrably true, but because it *works* for us. > > We don't  and can't *know* that time and space exist - at least in the > way we understand them, but they do *work* for us, the way we understand > them. Careful ... the "luminiferous aether" WORKED - at least with the existing physics :-) I suspect 'dark matter' will occupy a similar position.