Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: 31 Oct 2024 17:45:46 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 4FnslbWnsdIv5MAE+f/y8wh3a2Ct1eNOoM0/tewlvJyJMmA98l Cancel-Lock: sha1:spZcFHS5BP4JkkALjuaigA00XtM= sha256:xAyHXL/RgVwy8byWsnH7n+oKQbYKbQtzXvHtJ45yTqg= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Bytes: 2600 On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:16:32 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> The culture is gone. The same can be said for the Mound Builders in the >> eastern US. You might say civilization was alive and well in >> contemporary Europe, but it was vanishing in the Americas about a >> millennium ago. >> > Yes. The usual explanation is climate change. > > Horses are a sort of 4x4 I supposes. So it was emissions from horses > asses what done it, presumably. Can't blame the horses; they came with Cortes in 15 something. A Hohokam site like Casa Grande was abandoned around 1450. It was a ruin by the time Father Kino got there in 1694. The explanation for that one is the irrigation ditches silted in and the Gila changed course, as rivers will, making the site untenable. The mysterious part is they didn't pack up and move to a more favorable location. The culture apparently disappeared. When I visited Chaco I talked to a Navajo (Dine) ranger. The Navajo themselves were late arrivals and didn't have a clue. When he took the job at Chaco his family was upset since they considered the site bad juju. The east is the same. Some of the mounds had intrusive burials by later cultures. They didn't know what had went before but figured the mounds were an appropriate place to plant the dead.