Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2024 05:55:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <495550f7-796e-4414-67ae-26d3f8ba16f1@example.net> <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <87e89983-f30c-7113-695b-5b2025ae2099@example.net> <9cGcnYwc8c1pA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@earthlink.com> <1824185e-aa19-77e1-4fc4-526bdf8f6c26@example.net> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 00:55:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1824185e-aa19-77e1-4fc4-526bdf8f6c26@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-cxfluwa+0QDxhLiHnb5VRnmcmIPhrbEaj2vU0ZsWjfUcAN6g2gDAVB6dQPfEpQV7LY/DK92fEUrEs1t!ahoboC8VOMrq6yL9OYEEUiizfCGkSZY6yjamwu5ABtXltjglusHyVqre5TkKjVIA7zlUDkmJoAXH!2F37FJZE7D0WUIOSHNSk X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4286 On 12/6/24 4:11 AM, D wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> On 12/5/24 7:17 AM, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/12/2024 09:31, D wrote: >>>>> There is great good and great evil in man. That's what makes him so >>>>> fascinating and why fighting is such a necessary sport to give an >>>>> outlet for all that aggression. >>>> >>>> Only man creates the categories of good and evil. >>>> Science does not include them >>> >>> I think you know what I mean. In order to avoid nitpicking, let's say >>> creative and destructive energies. >> >>  To "Nature" ... I think it's all just superstrings hummin' >> >>  WE make of it all as we will. >> >>  Joe Alien ... he many have entirely different ideas ... >> > > I know. Natural and I have discussed this violently and agreed to > disagree. I'm a huge fan of the material world. As for the ultimate > nature, laws and composition, I am agnostic, and we'll see how far > science will take us. I lean towards instrumentalism/cognitive empiricism. IMHO, 'material' owns it - 'reality'-wise anyhow. However the Quality Of Life depends on what we DO with that. It generally stops of short agreeing to the Nietzschean extreme. Sci-tech will eventually take us All The Way insofar as power over our environment. But, again, how do we FEEL such power and insight be used ? If it was easy they'd have resolved all this 25,000 years ago. The Buddha understood there was a Real World - but WE could never ever really see/perceive it because of what we were, how nature put us together, our native environment, our IQ range. We will always have a key-hole view, seeing things through "human-colored glasses". Plato's "Allegory of the cave" kinda touched on the same stuff - but, maybe for political reasons, left off the last paragraph or two. ANYWAY, at the cold cold root - it's just all superstrings hummin' ... calculating a 'reality' as WE can sorta perceive it. Wolfram seems to have grasped this.