Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Last Doctor Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho Subject: Re: Ian Levine's Doctor Who Group Poll on the Timeless Child... Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:47:57 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 16:47:57 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e6b06cab533ec1dd3d211816caaac747"; logging-data="2738724"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/96VNCBETr189R/4vCRAxD" User-Agent: PhoNews/3.13.3 (Android/14) Cancel-Lock: sha1:PpYjJpEjKb62U4isdnSIe8+DNsA= In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3970 On 29/11/2024 13:54, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote: >In article , >The Last Doctor wrote: >>On 29/11/2024 00:44, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote: >>>In article , >>>The True Doctor wrote: >>>>On 28/11/2024 13:58, Blueshirt wrote: >>>>> The Doctor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article , >>>>>> The True Doctor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no new Doctor Who being made. There hasn't been >>>>>>> since 2017. The Timeless Child monster killed the entire >>>>>>> franchise. If the BBC wants to start making money again then >>>>>>> the Timeless Child monster must be kept out of Doctor Who >>>>>>> and the series must be revived from where it ended in The >>>>>>> Doctor Falls. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like the fanbase wants the Timeless Child retconned! >>>>> >>>>> 512 people, the fanbase? !!! >>>>> >>>> >>>>That's typically the number of people survayed for an average election >>>>opinion poll so it would be deemed representative of fandom within a >>>>margin of error of about 3%. >>> >>>Thank you! >> >>No, that's not the way polling works. This was a poll of about 6,100 people >> (the membership of Ian's closed group) - 90% of whom didn't see it, didn't >> care, or didn't want to engage with Dave (this was Dave's poll, not one he >> just came across). In a real poll, they would continue to poll others till >> they got enough answers. >> >>Secondly, demographic selection matters. The Ian Levine group is a tiny set >> of enormously conservative old-school fans. It is bound to lean into haters >> of all modern Who quite strongly. >> >>So, within this hidebound community, the real result of this poll is >> >>No response. 5,600 (91.8%) >>Yes,��it destroys Doctor Who. 311 (5.0%) >>No, it is now part of the lore. 129 (2.1%) >>I've never seen it, so I don't care. 22 (0.4%) >>Don't waste screen time. Just ignore it. 48 (0.7%) >> >>It's a self selecting group of fellow travellers, and still only 3 in 5 of >> them agree with Dave. >> >>Run your poll in an open group, Dave, where younger fans might hang out. And >> put more nuanced options in - it's not a yes/no kind of issue. >> > >Gikve me a group. > I've posted a poll in Doctor Who Infinity Dave, which with 90,000 members is 15 times the size of Levine's playpen, allows a much wider range of opinions and has a much broader spread of fandom. You'd better go and vote, your preferred option is NOT winning there - and I must admit, I'm astonished by the level of support the Timeless Child has there. I thought it would be quite a bit lower. -- There’s no point in being grown up if you can’t act a little childish sometimes.