Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Top three reasons for optimism about the ID scam Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:24:48 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <2a339317-e79f-4f14-81d6-b40ea12c6f7a@gmail.com> <43kukj5e6nm8sss524tniqcq7avc1i2fua@4ax.com> Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="5968"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:4UTYlo8JqSeWycDt/dE/EfmwvfY= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 3D65E229782; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 16:24:56 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5500229765 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 16:24:53 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 4B4LOnhP1600648 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:24:50 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0618D5F8F5 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/0618D5F8F5; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=meden.demon.co.uk id 959C8DC01A9; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:24:47 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 22:24:47 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1929is5IYJB3IeKaXFbV00MzA+KlBmym4DkEUA+Qh6E8oiIF7Y1TPZDAiRKpEEHHGgjcxvmTSLNmw== Content-Language: en-GB HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3937 On 04/12/2024 19:05, Vincent Maycock wrote: >> They should never have been on it in the first place as there was >> nothing heretical about them > Except that the Bible says the earth does not move. The Bible also says that the earth is flat. The Catholic Church recognised that the Bible includes idiom, metaphor, poetry and allegory, inter alia. Augustine, an early Church Father, recognised that empirical data trumped Biblical interpretation, and advised Christians not to bring the faith into disrepute by adopting positions (such as flat earth) that were obvious nonsense. When I looked into the subject I found that the Catholic Church was rather more literalist than I had expected. There is a presumption of literalism in the absence of contrary data. I have read that Galileo had a theological dispute with the Church - he argued that the Church should not give hostages to fortune by unnecessarily nailing its mast to interpretations that might be overturned by later discoveries. -- alias Ernest Major