Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 20:16:29 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <10fbe4d3-a1d1-4740-8d23-8cd96f3b9bfc@att.net> <696c5a55-3cb6-4fa7-bd11-9b8f8eeeaef7@att.net> <3f902f42-e435-4a44-a179-687ad2a33f16@att.net> <4f0bc5b5-aba7-4c19-91f7-d4f9788591a0@att.net> <6c74c2e9-17d7-4eb4-afcd-c058309b6c8a@tha.de> <4327ba4a-e810-4565-83e8-b9572018ac35@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 20:16:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="183e791f780bef0461f3ddd5d4b33261"; logging-data="742941"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/nWE3Te4h1Zdy/UHWju0OAy18ACv7g17w=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:BcpSLVrN+Q2GMBQJdnjm//sh6Oc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2989 On 15.12.2024 19:53, Jim Burns wrote: > On 12/15/2024 7:00 AM, WM wrote: > Unless you have changed whatᵂᴹ you (WM) mean, > to completeᵂᴹ a potentiallyᵂᴹ infinite set means > to insert an epilogue (presumably darkᵂᴹ) so that > set+epilogue is actuallyᵂᴹ infinite. This epilogue is required to empty ℕ by |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ...}| = 0. All definable numbers fail: ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo. >> (1) E(1), E(1)∩E(2), E(1)∩E(2)∩E(3), ... >> loses all content. > > the set of common finite.ordinals is empty. Fine. > >> By the law >> (2) ∀k ∈ ℕ : >> ∩{E(1),E(2),...,E(k+1)} = >> ∩{E(1),E(2),...,E(k)}\{k} >> the sequence gets empty one by one. > The limit set {} > ⎛ holds all common finite.ordinals. > ⎝ isn't in the sequence. If all natural numbers are individually available for indexing then they are available for individually leaving the intersection. Regards, WM