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From: Vincent Maycock <maycock@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Top three reasons for optimism about the ID scam
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:05:11 -0800
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On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 17:10:54 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Dec 2024 10:43:33 -0800, Vincent Maycock
><maycock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Dec 2024 14:20:07 +0000, Martin Harran
>><martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 09:08:28 -0600, RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>My take is that most Christians no longer fear God in this way.  It is 
>>>>why most Catholics are just fine with the Heliocentric heresy. 
>>>>Heliocentrism was never removed as a heresy in the Church.  
>>>
>>>It was never removed as a heresy because it never was a heresy. You
>>>have been told that multiple times, yet you persist in stating it.
>>
>>Galileo's works were on the Catholic prohibited list until way into
>>the 18th century. 
>
>They should never have been on it in the first place as there was
>nothing heretical about them

Except that the Bible says the earth does not move. 

> but the extremely bureaucratic Curia
>moves very slowly in recognising its errors, let alone correcting
>them.
>
>The Galileo affair was essentially a clash of personalities and the
>Pope badly misusing his authority to satisfy his personal pique at
>being treated as he saw it as an idiot by Galileo

Right.  Even today, that "Simplicio" stuff is hilarious satire. 

> and made subject to
>public scorn. FWIW, I think things probably ended up going a lot
>farther that the Pope intended and that is likely why he converted
>Galileo's imprisonment to a very loose form of house arrest in a
>luxury villa where he was able to carry on with his other scientific
>studies.

With the key being "other."  He was forbidden to go back to his
research on Copernican ideas.  That meant keeping track of who visited
him and where he would like to travel to.

Do I understand correctly that you agree that the Catholic Church has
made *some* mistakes in the past, though? 

>>>>It was only 
>>>>down graded, to a more minor heresy 
>>>
>>>There is no such thing as a "minor" heresy. There are degrees of
>>>heresy including one of being *suspected* of heresy which was what
>>>Galile was charged with. 
>>
>>Galileo's views were found to be "contrary to Holy Scriptures" and as
>>such were not to be held, defended, or taught.   Galileo swore up and
>>down that he wasn't interested in the Copernican ideas he had
>>published on, but no one believed him, and he was sentenced to house
>>arrest for the short remainder of his life. 
>>