Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport.f1 Subject: Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 14:15:49 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 101 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 23:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c8d9e6a4f3466085052c28917c4728b7"; logging-data="1734510"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+1vkbpReQR1HFPJuV6KccWnXtBMQi8iH0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YLRgsBMdyaCXv/YopmCrx/AIGko= Content-Language: en-CA In-Reply-To: Bytes: 4729 On 2024-10-22 14:13, Geoff wrote: > On 23/10/2024 9:30 am, Alan wrote: >> On 2024-10-22 13:24, News wrote: >>> On 10/22/2024 4:13 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2024-10-22 12:18, News wrote: >>>>> On 10/22/2024 1:41 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote: >>>>>>>> On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after >>>>>>>>>>> all it is the first corner of the race".... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track >>>>>>>>>>> himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How does that work ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then >>>>>>>>>> others. >>>>>>>>>> Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck >>>>>>>>>> big time. >>>>>>>>>> The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner >>>>>>>>>> AND leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is >>>>>>>>>> absurd. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and >>>>>>>>>> kept position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Boo F1'riggin Hoo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp- >>>>>>>>> penalty- was- a- slam-dunk/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team. >>>>>>>> Do you have a opinion of your own? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Horner speaks for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get >>>>>> back ahead in the braking zone for a corner... >>>>>> >>>>>> ...by simply easing off the brake pedal. >>>>>> >>>>>> You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose >>>>>> will be back in front. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Statistical evaluation and modeling >> basic racecraft >>>> >>>> What do you even claim to mean by that? >>>> >>>> Norris braked later than Verstappen and his nose was ahead. >>>> >>>> The ONLY WAY that Verstappen comes back to nose ahead is by easing >>>> off the brakes which will leave him with too much speed to stay on >>>> the track... >>>> >>>> ...which is exactly what happened? >>>> >>>> How is that "racecraft"? >>>> >>>> How is it different to using underbraking to force someone off the >>>> track in a CORNER as opposed to using steering to force someone off >>>> the track on the STRAIGHT? >>>> >>>>  From a car control standpoint, they are both deliberate actions >>>> that force another driver off the track. >>> >>> Now model outcomes and Stewards' probable responses. >>> >>> IYKYK. >> >> OIK...BYD >> >> '2. Guidelines for overtaking on the outside of a corner: >> >> ... >> >> The car being overtaken must be capable of making the corner while >> remaining within the limits of the track.”' >> >> > _fia_f1_driving_standard_guidelines.pdf> >> >> Read that as many times as it takes. > > And  that should work for the first corner in the race as well. Absolutely it should. I understand why they usually let things go on lap one... ....but I don't agree with letting it go.