Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Single Stage to Orbit Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi Subject: Re: RP2350 and Pico 2 - things missing Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 18:09:07 +0100 Organization: One very high maintenance cat Lines: 37 Message-ID: <27f8983bcf8008e124a14d378348e563bdf43a64.camel@munted.eu> References: <50ae75b3cdb83be61d995844169642d211670e3e.camel@munted.eu> <20240822115703.a377f409dd25c1b1f76f6c61@eircom.net> <20240823111241.fa25c2e204942a50ef8ccac5@eircom.net> <20240824091356.eadff502925e2f0760693e89@eircom.net> <20240901115314.3d7795351c717fa546c0f6dc@eircom.net> <5e84806798870aa1c6d8204239989fdd3241bbda.camel@munted.eu> Reply-To: alex.buell@munted.eu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 19:09:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c87e76cf4e68f4bc91212e9b34c93611"; logging-data="3086096"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/k6ppUzhCmk73ULW1SVN3uFC66b/1safU=" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:Wmj/0ZEUMT86/edbzMWF789X3jg= In-Reply-To: Autocrypt: addr=alex.buell@munted.eu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata=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 oM21NnHfo7RohDWVnYxAbHrErJjrym5yRxgWN0ccrsoeza/8m+G+my78KFVUtoTn9QmDDtaHrp7I2XGZ4r8rpvtCBxg4IFUqHg0ESI2/4pHw8n4uyD9e7yuZ+0zsLzMhloNEZ8ABe2/peVeir9eEVGqXTmixiLgVvPkTBi6xa4FmTqG3m0woUz8BXzCT1hoHtTPQ4UxGgcp8ITPUy1dJKUsqqY1uPSuLA06tGPQj7w/0j1HTuyct5NNHFDpDvrQdi/qr4CEk3WVWAEiv+d07DumSKnb6k5OySXSK128/oE2FXKsM1gNgFpK2SqEqfylxpAtJmRWNcV7Dyaqci22xRgBnU9X5iC2N9eXvaliEkEGBECAAkFAkSBefECGwwACgkQE/TNcxSCX46DQQCdH57pYA1kE373R9WsUN6+OXpqD8gAn0oKFduLKG48YhT7256Jo/7ZDeSU Bytes: 6231 On Mon, 2024-09-02 at 13:10 +0100, mm0fmf wrote: > On 01/09/2024 21:36, Single Stage to Orbit wrote: > > On Sun, 2024-09-01 at 15:47 +0100, mm0fmf wrote: > > > STR the compiler was a custom version of gcc 1.xx. 26 years ago > > > so the exact version has evaporated from my memory. > >=20 > > Your dates are slightly off. These gcc 1.x versions were between > > 1987 - 1993. I do remember using 2.7.2.3 with Linux 2.0 in 1997. >=20 > I'd agree that gcc main line release would be around 2.7 in 1998. I > can remember I started writing software for a Strongarm based video > security system in 2001. By then ARM kernels were compiled/cross- > compiled with gcc 2.95.x. Then gcc 3.0 / 3.1 came out which was > better for userland code but kernels compiled with it would not run > so we stayed with 2.95 for some time. Now, this I do definitely do remember. Stuck on 2.95.3 for years for the kernel, whilst we were able to use newer compilers just for the userspace. Linus kept running into code generation bugs and his rants were gold! :-D Also the great libc5 / glibc2 switch over which caused me a few nightmares :-) > However, the SHARC stuff was definitely derived from gcc 1.x in 1998 > as it struck me as very old as 2.x had been out for a while by then.=C2= =A0 > This was the version of the compiler that ran on Windows. ISTR I used > a PII 200MHz probably running WinNT to develop on. The Unix systems > were reserved for ADA, Occam and other esoteric stuff ;-) Yeah, that'd be right. Some people do keep old toolchains around because it's the only way to build code for platforms that have gone the way of the Dodo.=20 --=20 Tactical Nuclear Kittens