Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tom Elam Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Thank you EU! Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:17:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 141 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:17:06 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9f8955e514db4abcb02ad9a5870d3b5b"; logging-data="1989772"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/EjXWR+usW5ObN693Y8DzSEHXuNXlCeB0=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:52cmxuCEmYatwamToWAanLEB5so= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 7132 On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote: > On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote: >> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote: >>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote: >>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote: >>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled >>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but >>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by >>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri >>>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default >>>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked >>>>>>>>>>>> for directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from >>>>>>>>>>>> with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, >>>>>>>>>>>> no choice offered. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be >>>>>>>>>>>> better for it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You >>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it? >>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's >>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app >>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or >>>>>>>> fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, >>>>>>>> that is not permitted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you really this stupid? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Think about that... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how >>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't >>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that >>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those >>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently >>>>>>>> on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, >>>>>>>> not the Amazon app, even though the subscription covers the >>>>>>>> cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited >>>>>>>> book right off the app. That was very inconvenient, and might >>>>>>>> push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall >>>>>>>> brick gone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases >>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to >>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to >>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic >>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion >>>>>>>> until they get their cut. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. >>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down. >>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me >>>>> all your money... >>>>> >>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you. >>>> >>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much >>>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true. >>> >>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing? >>> >>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"... >>> >>> ...because they won't be subject to fines. >>> >>> Well, duh! >>> >>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar. >> >> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not >> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default >> navigation app and delete Apple Maps? > > Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether > or not to buy it. > >> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant? > > Same answer. > >> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet? > > Same answer. > >> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app >> purchases? > > Same answer. > >> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all? > > Same answer. > >> >> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what >> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not >> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will >> certainly be subject to additional fines. > > It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to abandon > it... > > ...when you think it's good for YOU. > LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too. I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default. It's my phone, not Apple's!