Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 21:56:54 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <27b8de9e-a17e-4116-ab5e-1e552bea0fce@att.net> <6d0d8060-fb60-4da6-bcdb-adc13a6179b0@att.net> <93c53518-55f8-4dca-aa3c-3e79ef268963@att.net> <9e03d68c-ae1e-4e2f-8004-55e6f89adb98@att.net> <96af151c-285d-4161-842a-63019cac9699@att.net> <09f8a86f-3f75-4af8-a190-0def76c1ab82@att.net> <68dc9b71-cf5d-4614-94e2-8a616e722a63@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 21:56:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9a8e56e6d225fc962adef1f0fe73eec4"; logging-data="2522416"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX182imgR23IzpnTM4Sv3FqoTlpzuaBZHw/4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Rvh6rjFQPldHjDs780Zz2jGkAac= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <68dc9b71-cf5d-4614-94e2-8a616e722a63@att.net> Bytes: 3465 On 24.11.2024 21:17, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/24/2024 2:42 PM, WM wrote: >> On 24.11.2024 20:26, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> What we mean by >>>   |E(k)| ≤ |E(k+1)| >>> is that >>> there is a one.to.one function >>>   from E(k) to E(k+1) >>> The successor operation, for example. >> >> What I mean is the fact that >> ∀k ∈ ℕ: |E(k+1)| = |E(k)| - 1 >> whereas Cantor's ℵo is a very unsharp measure. > > Finite cardinalities can change by 1. Endsegmentes can change by 1 element. Therefore their number of elements can change by 1. > > Infinite cardinalities are larger than > each finite cardinality, > and cannot change by 1. Infinite cardinalities are to coarse to indicate that change. But the change takes place: ∀k ∈ ℕ : E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k} ==> ∀k ∈ ℕ: |E(k+1)| = |E(k)| - 1 > ℕ is the set of each and only finite cardinalities. > > |ℕ| isn't a finite cardinality. > |ℕ| cannot change by 1. ℕ cannot change by 1 Element. ==> |ℕ| can change by 1. >> Cantor's nonsense has many faces. >> It i not suitable for serious maths. > > Cardinalities which cannot change by 1 > do not change by 1 when they're called unserious. From two examples above you can see a change of an infinite set by 1 element. A proper measure will be able to indicate that. Why do you wish to adhere to such an incapable measure? Regards, WM