Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Let's hide the bicyclists behind parked cars. What could go wrong? Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:02:12 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <5skboj1fdja3d483lm8rbt7rrovvlbsvd8@4ax.com> References: <05iaojtfoijail2is1flnk8saheg9meko5@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 04:02:20 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bb169f9148381ee1c890d65778ca9212"; logging-data="2382697"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+qoeM1z7TVVHC0AZ+tuaucXw829lgIFb0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:KdOzT2SvrkGgbJ2sTEIhdg1hHeo= Bytes: 3225 On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 18:27:09 +0100, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: >Am Mon, 13 Jan 2025 11:24:29 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski >: > >>"Traffic traveling as much as 90 kph" is usually much less problem for >>me than John pretends, in part because most of the roads I ride have >>slower speeds, chosen because of aesthetics. Less traffic and less road >>noise is more pleasant. > >Exactly. An quite a lot of roads with no limit (meaning limited to 100 >km/h outside of highways) are wide enough or have little traffic, so >that overtaking slower vehicles is not much of a problem. I a driver is >able to overtake another that only drives at 80 km/h, he or she is >certailny able to overtake a cyclist doing 30 km/h only. Most probably, >the latter is much easier to do, for obvious reasons. > >> >>And even those with 55 mph cars seldom have continuous platoons. One or >>two motorists at a time are easy to deal with. In either case, when >>motorists see me at lane center, they seem to realize right away that >>they will have to adjust their speed, their lane choice or whatever. >>It's rare to even get a horn honk. > >Time to show this short video again > >We have used that road quite often, because it is the best connection to >get out of the larger Rhine valley and into the low mountain range >called "Eifel". Narrower roads, especially those with a sidepath are >both more unpleasant and more risky. Motorists can sniff "bicycle >infrastructure" even when there isn't any. Any rotten footpath is good >enough. :-( Now try some of the roads here :-) https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/1762349/understanding-bangkoks-traffic-woes -- Cheers, John B.