Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary, effectively) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 12:39:56 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <51593821cf96cef1e5f8c4d1cf692dc145064429@i2pn2.org> References: <2163aa0c0efba66c813e8ebda5ef5ece6d19ea34@i2pn2.org> <4d797c9134ea480aa4976cf866cacaede8d309bd@i2pn2.org> <1e8ebc58a12fd659e38d0b9f0ff6fc0194f933be@i2pn2.org> <9a25e92033e0a4d24e9c27df0de95d8b033d0862@i2pn2.org> <171d790a8a99fa28e5b849e2726d1c9c0f93d932@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2025 17:39:57 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2164644"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: On 1/5/25 12:26 PM, WM wrote: > On 05.01.2025 13:47, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 1/5/25 5:31 AM, WM wrote: >>> On 04.01.2025 11:59, joes wrote: >>>> Am Sat, 04 Jan 2025 09:52:08 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> On 04.01.2025 05:06, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 1/3/25 12:15 PM, WM wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Every union of FISONs which stay below a certain threshold stays >>>>>>> below >>>>>>> that threshold. >>>>>> Every union of a finite number of FISONs is just an admssion that you >>>>>> can't do the actual union of *ALL* FISONs. >>>>> For all FISONs:|ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo. >>>> But not for the union. >>> >>> What should make the union larger than all FISONs? >>> >>> Every union of FISONs which stay below a certain threshold stays >>> belown that threshold. >> >> Because you never actually USED *ALL* FISONs, > > All FISONs are smaller than 1 % of |ℕ|. > Find a FISON {1, 2, 3, ..., n} such that {1, 2, 3, ..., 100n} is a > superset of ℕ. > > Regards, WM > I never said there was, but your claim doesn't match your conclusion, as the union of *ALL* the FISIONs will reach the size of the Natural Numbers, even though no finite subset reaches a measurable percentage of it. That is just the nature of INFINITY, something that has been shown to be beyond your ability to understand.