Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zen cycle Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Dual-Chain drive train Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 13:05:18 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:05:19 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dd9ddef8aaf4c09768b302a9fb7a80b4"; logging-data="409485"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196BFqVwFiNs8EN3ydq3u48Nq5/lPaK3jc=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:mLjGyzG8U8FdiKXPngVdT5oS/NE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 3276 On 12/27/2024 2:11 PM, AMuzi wrote: > On 12/27/2024 12:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >> On 12/27/2024 10:35 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>> https://www.bikeradar.com/news/buffalo-utility-s2 >>> >>> Made for developing countries to allow for easier transportation on >>> cargo bikes, without the exposure and complexity of an external >>> derailleur or hand-operated shifting (for an internally geared hub). >>> It was developed and patented with the help of SRAM. >>> >>> It appears to engage one drive train or the other through a back- >>> pedaling action, forcing the pawls in the freewheel to toggle from >>> one side to the other. >>> >>> It's been tested for over two years in the field with great feedback >>> (according to the article) and is now being marketed in 3rd world >>> countries. >>> >>> The design won the Eurobike Gold award in 2024 for "excellence in >>> design and innovation within the cycling industry" >>> >>> More information at https://worldbicyclerelief.org/s2/ >> >> Thanks, that's more info than I was previously able to find. >> >> ISTR a 1960s hub gear with coaster brake that also shifted gears when >> backpedaled slightly. I never had a chance to ride one. >> > > Many similar.  Cheap and effective, famously robust too. I made that > comment the first time we discussed double ($$) drive chains on that > vehicle. > > The original 1950s Bendix two speed had a cable to change gears. In 1960 > it was replaced with the three 'automatic' versions whose mechanism is > directly analogous to a Parker ball point in-out mechanism. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhVw-MHGv4s > > [nice clear graphics] > > Fichtel & Sachs (later SRAM) made a very nice automatic unit as well and > there are smaller volume eastern European variants too. > > Two of the Bendix 2-speed CB designs are currently produced under the > Eagle [SOMA] brand. > > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/product-tech/2021/03/17/merry-sales- > helps-bring-back-eagle-2-speed-coaster-brake-hub > Can you think of any reason why those versions haven't made their way into this application? Serious question....