Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Shadow Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:29:29 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Shadow Lines: 133 Message-ID: References:

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 21:29:33 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3b1f85e07f5bca2ba9a2f255abe13aed"; logging-data="3850830"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ySPBd+5oXtp2FGj3hEOLUvSPV/oV9klQ=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:kIWq0l/GzEurTYV0hxi5b5mFj6w= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 Bytes: 7370 On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 13:31:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder wrote: >On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 12:43:47 -0300, Shadow wrote: > >>On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 07:12:09 -0500, Catrike Ryder >> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:25:24 -0300, Shadow wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:28:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 1/15/2025 6:43 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>> On 1/15/2025 5:24 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/15/2025 3:00 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>> On 1/15/2025 1:02 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:57:39 GMT, cyclintom >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is especially common among illegals here in California with these >>>>>>>>>> assholes laying on the horn even when yoyu're nowhere near them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The only solution is to raise taxes the rich pay. Then you >>>>>>>>> could fund essential services like the police, and any unlawful >>>>>>>>> extraterrestrial will be promptly arrested for driving without a >>>>>>>>> license. And shuttled back to Mars or whatever. >>>>>>>>> Problem solved. Plus there might even be some money left to >>>>>>>>> pay for medical services, education and your welfare checks. >>>>>>>>> []'s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Without regard to this argument per se, isn't your preferred solution >>>>>>>> to everything "Tax the rich" ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a good one. How much money do Musk, Bezos, etc. really need? For >>>>>>> what? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You've written that previously. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've noted previously that the top 10% of earners represent over half of >>>>>> income tax revenue: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/MPowG/5/ >>>>>> >>>>>> In California where policy is closer to your tastes, the problem of >>>>>> collecting revenues shows the complex mix of factors: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/leaving-rich-americans-ditching- >>>>>> california-163000441.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Note in link, "Ultra-wealthy Californians, the top 1%, typically pay >>>>>> between 40-50% of the state’s personal income tax revenue." >>>>> >>>>>I'd say the solution is for the competing states to raise their upper >>>>>level tax rates. >>>>> >>>>>> I ask again, how much is enough? What's the limiting principle? >>>>> >>>>>How much personal wealth is enough? Why is there no limit? >>>>> >>>>>I'm reminded about a parable about a poor widow contributing two tiny >>>>>coins, a trivial amount, but “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put >>>>>more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their >>>>>wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to >>>>>live on.” >>>>> >>>>>Taxing the wealthy and super-wealthy means they may have to put off >>>>>buying their hundredth bottle of Chateau Lafite Rothschild (whose taste >>>>>they probably can't reliably distinguish anyway). Taxing the poorer >>>>>people means they have to put off buying a can of soup. >>>>> >>>>>So let's emulate the tax structures of prosperous countries with far, >>>>>far less income disparity. I believe those policies contribute to much >>>>>better social services, much lower crime and unrest, better paved roads, >>>>>free medical care, etc. >>>> >>>> LOL. Right wingers are psychopaths. by definition. The reason >>>>why humans became the most powerful beings on Earrth is because their >>>>innate socialism (the willingness to share, to help others even if it >>>>meant suffering a bit) was stronger than their egoism. >>>> It's impossible to convince a right winger to be "human". His >>>>brain is not capable of being one. >>>> []'s >>>> >>>> PS Bezos never produced anything in his life. He just passed >>>>on other people's goods and took a very large cut. He also pays the >>>>smallest salaries possible. Rather a bad example of someone that >>>>should continue evading tax. >>> >>>What nonsense. Communalism exists among some of the least developed >>>forms of life. >> >> I have no idea what communalism means. Wikipedia says "Not to >>be confused with Communism or Communitarianism.". And then goes on to >>explain that communism is a dictatorship and communitarianism in a >>right wing (conservative) form of government. Both are bad. >> >> I was talking about socialism. (which in a democracy would be >>social democracy). What was prevalent during the "baby Boomers" era. >> In the 60's and 70's civilized countries spent more than 50% >>of their total resources on the welfare state. It was the best era to >>be alive. >> No unemployment, good salaries, no worries about the future, >>cheap (usually subsidized) housing and transport, good quality state >>schooling and medical care. Holidays and bonuses were expected. It was >>one of the most productive phases (both intellectually and in actual >>products) in the last 100 years. >> Of course, if you lived in a barbaric country, you would not >>have known that. I forgive you. Not your fault. >> []'s >> >> > >Communalism is simply the oppoite of individualism. Socialism and >communism are both communalistic structures. Individualism must be a nightmare. Every individual lives by his own laws, takes what he needs, decides how much tax he should pay, decides what services he has a right to, decides whether another citizen has the right to live or die. Food and shelter are decided on "who got there first and has the biggest gun" You sure there are people that support that? I mean, people that are still free on the streets and not locked up in an asylum? Oh wait. USA=>no public healthcare. The psychotic ARE free to roam the streets. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 Google Fuchsia - 2021