Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Montana: "Let's make stupidity mandatory!" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:57:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 112 Message-ID: References:

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:57:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9d00eea0b02a158238954a41e3235185"; logging-data="3840060"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Yg33DyaAA/aGbiQMfxvWE5s61m2oIbIM=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:aMhgzBqHLj+BTOklPEPR91j62zE= Bytes: 5999 On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:22:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: >On 1/16/2025 9:19 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 1/15/2025 9:50 PM, John B. wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 21:28:08 -0500, Frank Krygowski >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/15/2025 6:43 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>> On 1/15/2025 5:24 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> On 1/15/2025 3:00 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/15/2025 1:02 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:57:39 GMT, cyclintom >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is especially common among illegals here in California with >>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>> assholes laying on the horn even when yoyu're nowhere near them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The only solution is to raise taxes the rich pay. Then you >>>>>>>> could fund essential services like the police, and any unlawful >>>>>>>> extraterrestrial will be promptly arrested for driving without a >>>>>>>> license. And shuttled back to Mars or whatever. >>>>>>>> Problem solved. Plus there might even be some money left to >>>>>>>> pay for medical services, education and your welfare checks. >>>>>>>> []'s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Without regard to this argument per se, isn't your preferred solution >>>>>>> to everything "Tax the rich" ? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a good one. How much money do Musk, Bezos, etc. really need? For >>>>>> what? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You've written that previously. >>>>> >>>>> I've noted previously that the top 10% of earners represent over >>>>> half of >>>>> income tax revenue: >>>>> >>>>> https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/MPowG/5/ >>>>> >>>>> In California where policy is closer to your tastes, the problem of >>>>> collecting revenues shows the complex mix of factors: >>>>> >>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/leaving-rich-americans-ditching- >>>>> california-163000441.html >>>>> >>>>> Note in link, "Ultra-wealthy Californians, the top 1%, typically pay >>>>> between 40-50% of the state’s personal income tax revenue." >>>> >>>> I'd say the solution is for the competing states to raise their upper >>>> level tax rates. >>>> >>>>> I ask again, how much is enough? What's the limiting principle? >>>> >>>> How much personal wealth is enough? Why is there no limit? >>>> >>>> I'm reminded about a parable about a poor widow contributing two tiny >>>> coins, a trivial amount, but “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put >>>> more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their >>>> wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to >>>> live on.” >>>> >>>> Taxing the wealthy and super-wealthy means they may have to put off >>>> buying their hundredth bottle of Chateau Lafite Rothschild (whose taste >>>> they probably can't reliably distinguish anyway). Taxing the poorer >>>> people means they have to put off buying a can of soup. >>>> >>>> So let's emulate the tax structures of prosperous countries with far, >>>> far less income disparity. I believe those policies contribute to much >>>> better social services, much lower crime and unrest, better paved roads, >>>> free medical care, etc. >>> >>> >>> AS I posted previously what is "the wealthy"? After all you obviously >>> have more money then you require with your electric car, motorcycle >>> and bicycle. >>> >>> Or are you one of those who argue, "No! No! Not me! Tax someone else!" >>> >>> Remember that Jeff Bezos started by selling books out of his garage. >>> You could have done that. Why didn't you? So now you want to penalize, >>> with higher taxes, someone simply because he was smarter the you? >> >> Mr Krygowski is not alone in believing it's OK to steal as long as grand >> promises are made and the various layers of civil service graft and >> waste are preserved. >> >> The usual retort to that immorality is, "Well, to make an omelet we must >> break some eggs." >> >> There is never an omelet. > >And yet, there are plenty of countries whose policies produce less >income and wealth inequality, better social services, excellent >prosperity, more citizen contentment, lower crime rates, better >infrastructure... > >https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/income-equality > >They seem happy with their omelets! How are they doing what you deem >impossible? They seem equally happy being deprived of freedom of speech. Some people just beg to be told what to do and think.. -- C'est bon Soloman