Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rich Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: Seriation Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:56:54 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:56:55 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0b71cde63adbf7ddd344d1a8f00a5e74"; logging-data="190534"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/WF2EM1IsElHeD47a9FJTE" User-Agent: tin/2.6.1-20211226 ("Convalmore") (Linux/5.15.139 (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qQwG2xDXa+3PLCFs2/Xz3qQRCKA= Bytes: 3114 Stefan Claas wrote: > Richard Heathfield wrote: >> On 01/02/2025 12:19, Stefan Claas wrote: >> >> >> >> > IIRC when encoding with Umlauts etc. at the same position the >> > original Umlauts will be shown. >> >> Yes. By design, SCOS and SCOS2 preserve not only whitespace but >> anything else they have not been told how to process[1]. We have >> seen aob come a cropper by making whitespace significant in Usenet >> ciphertexts, and that was precisely the problem I was guarding >> against, but it also makes sense only to digest text it knows about >> and pass through unmodified everything it doesn't, thus making >> copy-and-paste ciphertext in an ASCII medium Just Work. >> >> > This should be not the case IMHO. You may want to return to the original SCOS posting and reread the purpose. SCOS's purpose, and your purpose, are divergent, so naturally SCOS will make some choices that your purpose finds to be incorrect for your purpose. >> It is of course your prerogative to disagree with my design, but it is >> likewise my prerogative to prefer a deliberately ASCII-only design for >> use in an ASCII environment such as Usenet. > > Well, maybe only a very few US hosting service are ASCII only in 2025, > but we should ignore them, as Eurasiens ... ;-) I added also the british > pound sign and Euro symbol. :-) Reality is that while Usenet /can/ carry UTF-8 encoded text, the vast vast majority of non-binaries Usenet (i.e., the 'text' portion) is plain ASCII. This is mostly "self imposed" as most posters self-limit to just the ASCII character set. Note, I'm not saying this is good or bad (and one can make a very coherent argument that in 2025 more non-ascii characters should be seeing use) -- rather I'm just pointing out the reality of the current use of the medium.