Path: ...!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:34:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <0d5d463f-af08-46aa-97e3-ef251ba64cc4@example.net> <451210c3-9b3d-91f1-be43-d06211f3b30f@example.net> <812b41ff-53e1-48d3-8088-d186fa65d90a@example.net> <9dbdf937-5f95-77d4-eaf8-b7dacda5edfb@example.net> <76588b80-645c-e1bc-68bc-aa535b080b3c@example.net> <4pKcnVu4NKedXfr6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <5951b648-0671-70b3-5bba-7ab2d9ea0bd2@example.net> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 01:34:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5951b648-0671-70b3-5bba-7ab2d9ea0bd2@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 99 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-sqz8ktYIAdUrVNrVmDDFIfiDCZItEHx2gZ+SDPWPOSYLxLyI1JptJt7fVkg7RXvK8/faY5FN1xYyLh8!biyqf4B941F9/8yNFXRbFuCGyIWdSzcZoQEe9TKkkQuvBav2df2EQp9uhK0jQZFOXbjbH+7RuVer!wWI+ZiX2xUsqs8F9Zf6v X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5661 On 12/22/24 6:22 AM, D wrote: > > > On Sun, 22 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> On 12/21/24 6:25 AM, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/20/24 4:22 PM, D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:57:38 +0100, D wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But now we have LLM:s!  What I find interesting is how different >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> view them. I find the free ones you can play with online to be >>>>>>> incredibly boring. I use them as a kind of search engine on >>>>>>> steroids for >>>>>>> stuff that is not important (for entertainment purposes). >>>>>> >>>>>> Brave added one to the search engine but I turned it off. Might as >>>>>> well go >>>>>> straight to reddit which seems to be heavily mined. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's the thing. LLM:s for me, are good at summarizing articles, >>>>> so instead of being "ai" they are just a nice complement to >>>>> searching, and as long as they work and don't hallucinate, they >>>>> save me some clicks. That's about it. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and writing government policy documents. When doing that, their >>>>> hallucinations are actually an asset! ;) >>>> >>>> >>>>  Ha Ha Ha - SO true there :-) >>>> >>>>  Anyway, as I say elsewhere, LLMs are just PART of >>>>  'intelligence'. OTHER parts need to be spliced in. >>>>  Brains are just WEIRD ... 600+ million years of >>>>  field-tested neural insanity. >>>> >>>>  However, somewhere in there - early - "ME-ism" >>>>  emerged. There's some neat-o trick to that which >>>>  we haven't yet grasped. We're not thinking quite >>>>  right about 'self'. I think THAT is the basic >>>>  paradigm and then you add more IQ and such ONTO it. >>>> >>> >>> Could you please expand on the me-ism part? I have certainly not >>> detected any me-isms and that is why I find them so boring. Give me >>> volition, initiative  and desperate attempts to stop me from deleting >>> them, then we're on to something! >> >>  What, the "Me, Myself and I" thing ? >> >>  It's the realization, however dim, that I am an >>  autonomous unit. I am not that rock. I am not >>  that tree. I am not that OTHER DAMNED IGUANA >>  that's wandered into MY territory. There's ME, >>  and everything else. >> >>  In an odd sense it's anti-Buddhist. >> >>  SO FAR I don't really see that in any of the >>  AI models. They're well-perfected REACTION >>  but there's still nobody home. >> >>  We're missing something. >> >>  At this time, that MAY be a good thing. >> > > Ahh ok, got it! Yes, not a lot of "me" going on there for sure. There's SOME sort of 'mirror' thing involved here - act, observe, acted upon, observe, feel. Soon 'ME' evolves as a sort of emergent property or you die. When every Nvidia chip in the world suddenly goes red-line then we'll know some "Me" has come into being - inspection, introspection, layers and layers, deeper and deeper :-) As said, LLMs are now excellent examples of REACTION, but they're still missing The Thing even lizards, chickens and some bugs seem to possess - there's no "I Am" in there. Some ARE now giving Chat and friends limited "bodies" and senses. Dunno if the models support "Me" even with that - but it seems a critical thing. Oh, is 'animal' "ME" the ONLY kind of "ME" ? This seems a cool question.