Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 13:55:24 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <903de8e1-3538-4cfe-9f7a-6509eda47ab6@att.net> <3844edd7-0750-4418-bff6-2759817446b3@att.net> <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 13:55:25 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1fc5ef77a148ddf2f7d4705f9be5faad"; logging-data="895271"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19be2hgprDK/fhxlHBbX6ciyZGlnmqgoks=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kU3L+xD71PAZ9SMKydKsP5zxPXE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> Bytes: 2549 On 26.01.2025 23:54, Jim Burns wrote: > On 1/26/2025 4:49 AM, WM wrote: >> No swaps can complete actual infinity of ℕ. > >> No actual infinity is represented by the first column. > > No appendix 𝔻 such that ∀d ∈ 𝔻: f(d) = d > completes potential.infinity to actual.infinity. ∀n ∈ U(F(n)): |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ...} = { } >> No swaps can complete actual infinity of ℕ. > > For each FISON, there is > a fuller.by.one FISON which is larger. > That is complete enough > in order to allow Bob to disappear. Not outside of all numbers. All the FISONs are smaller than ℵo elements: {1} {2, 1} {3, 2, 1} .... which prove that the first column is smaller than ℵo elements too. That means no actual infinity is involved in visible numbers. Bob may go further. Then he becomes invisible. > The sets aren't larger and aren't smaller. > They are the same size, > which allows Bob to disappear by lossless swaps. Yes, in the dark domain. Regards, WM