Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:25:49 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> <6e0c8ab2-402a-43a5-a348-0c727eae6a2e@att.net> <87e2e677c7802c9c17df6063f340cb5857d5700b@i2pn2.org> <680d4249c9bf1504231a53732ac5096184261495@i2pn2.org> <12a38458-bfb9-4611-9072-eadbb166c0ec@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2025 12:25:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7889779fdd80798ffa0e9c506aa81a71"; logging-data="679783"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+I74vnEb8BW6MIBsx/x+x51L/5OHwKxx8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xLBbPYps4e8vRoqw2Pc+ta/VTtE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2999 On 01.02.2025 20:21, Jim Burns wrote: > On 2/1/2025 7:56 AM, WM wrote: >> There is the assumption that >> a set with U(F(n)) = ℕ exists. >> Without changing the union >> we can remove every element by induction. >> No element remains. >> The set does not exist. > > Each finiteᵒᵘʳ initial segment F(k) of ⋃{F(n)} > can grow¹ to another initial segment F(k+1) > which is also finiteᵒᵘʳ, and is larger than F(k), > and is not larger than ⋃{F(n)} > > {F(n}} holds each finiteᵒᵘʳ initial segment F(k) > ⋃{F(n)} is larger than each F(k). But all F(n) can be discarded without changing the union. F(1) can be discarded. If F(n) can be discarded, then F(n+1) can be discarded. Note: Mathematical induction is a method for proving that a statement P(n) is true for every natural number n that is, that the infinitely many cases P(0),P(1),P(2),P(3),... all hold. [Wikipedia] Therefore if U(F(n)) = ℕ, then { } = ℕ Regards, WM