Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:34:35 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <903de8e1-3538-4cfe-9f7a-6509eda47ab6@att.net> <3844edd7-0750-4418-bff6-2759817446b3@att.net> <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <965ee9868f28953d437113d0d38f069815499a3f@i2pn2.org> <77fb6230f3ef78f7524b70785c4772313e238258@i2pn2.org> <814297ada299a65bb9f427ddec5646afcc94be9f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 09:34:36 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3540edb9c1911522648c431b5f497edb"; logging-data="2424000"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ZWW3nWhfa5CeMNTUH9GiqqR0k7Yr0184=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Qq7a/nZT0p3Z9l1O5zGrxo7wH2k= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Bytes: 2819 On 28.01.2025 18:18, FromTheRafters wrote: > WM expressed precisely : >> On 28.01.2025 11:26, FromTheRafters wrote: >>> WM expressed precisely : >> >>>> An infinite set of FISONs that has the union ℕ needs a first element. >>> > The only needed one would be the last one but > there is no last one just like there is no last natural number. The only needed one would be a FISON that does not obey |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo but |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = 0 But it is not existing. Therefore you claim that an infinite set is necessary. But that is pure matheology. Assume any set of FISONs with uninon U(F(n)) = ℕ. Then every FISON can be dropped as completely useless. Nothing remains. Therefore: IF U(F(n)) = ℕ THEN ℕ = { }. FISONs can accomplish only a potentially infinite collection. Regards, WM