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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: OT: "Free speech" becomes a verb & noun... Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 15:49:59 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 254 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 21:50:00 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="702b17389836b849efb3ca033f95d0f8"; logging-data="287007"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19XpqBeJ7CksUyG3LRIDDrkq6qDy1HxFo8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:rUEeDNZx4udyt/oH5LmtV7nFHKY= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 13262 On 2/1/2025 12:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > On Feb 1, 2025 at 9:04:13 AM PST, "moviePig" wrote: > >> On 1/31/2025 6:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 3:25:01 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/31/2025 5:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 2:20:52 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/31/2025 4:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 12:36:27 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protesters" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resident alien to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations from Skokie in '77. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the participants resident aliens or American citizens? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'pro-Palestine'. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "From the >>>>>>>>>>>>> river to the sea." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is pro-Nazi not? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>>> organization and >>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>> if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident >>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's >>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>> when WE do it". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist >>>>>>>>>>> group by >>>>>>>>>>> the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in >>>>>>>>>>> the 70s, >>>>>>>>>>> when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a >>>>>>>>>>> designated >>>>>>>>>>> terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is punishing these students for their speech >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you >>>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>>> can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight >>>>>>>>>>> years. No, >>>>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He >>>>>>>>>>> refused >>>>>>>>>>> to do it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American >>>>>>>>>>>> principles. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign >>>>>>>>>>> jihadists >>>>>>>>>>> that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own >>>>>>>>>>> population >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st >>>>>>>>>>> Amendment >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> intended to protect. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of >>>>>>>>>>> what the 1st >>>>>>>>>>> Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Call it a whitewash, because it is. These students are being punished >>>>>>>>>> for voicing support of Palestine >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for >>>>>>>>> Palestine. >>>>>>>>> American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our >>>>>>>>> country >>>>>>>>> you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist >>>>>>>>> organization that advocates for the destruction of America. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing >>>>>>>>> a group >>>>>>>>> whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with >>>>>>>>> Israel) >>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>> here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were >>>>>>>>>> Democratic, >>>>>>>>>> you'd be apoplectic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current >>>>>>>>> crop of >>>>>>>>> Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance >>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community" >>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>> city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes >>>>>>>>> you've >>>>>>>>> committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers, >>>>>>>>> thieves, and >>>>>>>>> narco-traffickers that she has their back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried >>>>>>>>> about has no >>>>>>>>> desire >>>>>>>>> to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any >>>>>>>>> more than >>>>>>>>> anyone else does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta, >>>>>>>> just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on >>>>>>>> attempted election corruption. I just can't see how you're comfortable >>>>>>>> with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What basic principles require us to tolerate the presence of illegal >>>>>>> aliens >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> all, let alone illegal aliens that commit depraved violent crimes >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> citizens? >>>>>> >>>>>> So, the ends justify the means? >>>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========