Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 20:06:48 +0000 Subject: Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He admitted having little math Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <11ed9ce5561647a339178272953d5c1a@www.novabbs.com> <676bf17f$0$29726$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <27cc03a1ab0488bf362d322e32b4a4dd@www.novabbs.com> <67716585$0$12919$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <058de8e31bcf885d667d37be1d9badf7@www.novabbs.com> <6773a854$0$29719$426a74cc@news.free.fr> From: Ross Finlayson Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 12:06:50 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6773a854$0$29719$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 83 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-kTMPGbQmqSc7U9Onl2u7RW68MGTwt5rc1wTEFCLks09FXr7bCSM6Uoqp/Vz4odswrhfR26McPfoHcW2!tDHa4PG1+4Nv9lS3nMv9T95pdywcqU9/1C3B3qe40MRP1SZorcaCwXYRsPLFl/PEwQLcjphsfzo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4191 On 12/31/2024 12:16 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: > rhertz wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote: >> >>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>> >>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? >>>>>> >>>>>> When: >>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean >>>>>> geometry. >>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math. >>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert. >>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from. >>>>>> >>>>>> Answer: >>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert. >>>>> >>>>> Hilbert disagreed, >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>> Here are two other versions of the quote; >>>> >>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as >>>> Einstein. But the equations are his." >>>> >>>> "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about >>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein >>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert >>>> >>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out >>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he >>>> could not. >>> >>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong. >>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself, >>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity, >>> despite their superior technical skills. >>> Hilbert goes on to state that: >>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there. >>> >>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH) >>> ==== >>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a >>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society. >>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen >>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow >>> personally) >>> ==== >>> >>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do, >>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler >>> who had just stolen his results. >>> >>> You had better forget about all this. >>> You are wrong about it, period. >>> >>> Jan >> >> Stop talking idiocies, > > [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies] > > Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave? > > Jan > In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind" he says that Hilbert was always saying that he came up with these before Einstein did. He relays they were on friendly terms, after quite a spat, about it. Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.