Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: RonB Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Hobbyware WinCrap 11 strikes again Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 06:23:26 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 94 Message-ID: References: <1WoqP.4088$NgFa.1524@fx46.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 07:23:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2ffb2c1d2030123da2885010d80eeb6b"; logging-data="1753481"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Ay7v+jeebQaco+z4Er8Gg" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:vUkTsze0W8FxqMCqnmKiTEE4fw4= Bytes: 6878 On 2025-02-10, CrudeSausage wrote: > On 2025-02-10 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote: >> On 2025-02-09, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> On 2025-02-08 12:07 p.m., RonB wrote: >>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> On 2025-02-08 10:40 a.m., RonB wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-02-08, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>>> On 2025-02-08 3:49 a.m., RonB wrote: >>>>>>>> I guess checking the battery capacity is the last thing my Latitude 5300 >>>>>>>> will ever do on Windows 11. When I exited it did a small update. When I >>>>>>>> rebooted after the update it wanted to do a disk check (and I stupidly let >>>>>>>> it do so). After doing that and rebooting it ran into a BSOD ("we ran into a >>>>>>>> problem"). It then wants to run diagnostics, attempts a repair and... we >>>>>>>> start the whole loop all over again. (I tried this about six times and >>>>>>>> finally told myself, "well, enough of that bullshit.") >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adios WinCrap 11. the space can better be used by Linux Mint anyhow (which >>>>>>>> still boots fine). Another computer that will be completely freed from >>>>>>>> Windows. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be lying if I said that it never happened to me before. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was beginning to think Windows 11 was fairly solid. This surprised me. I >>>>>> don't why, but I had a bad feeling when I let it do a "disk check." I was >>>>>> more worried that Windows would trash my Linux grub setup for booting, >>>>>> though, I didn't think it would trash itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> I went ahead and deleted the Windows partitions with GParted and installed >>>>>> Debian 12 in its place. I'm experimenting with creating .deb packages for >>>>>> Trelby (which I found isn't that hard to do) so it'll be nice to have a >>>>>> Debian install for testing purposes. (Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu and >>>>>> Debian and LM are actually different enough that I have to test both.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of Ubuntu, I've come to despise it and it's damn Snaps. I found out >>>>>> that the Snap version of Firefox refuses to read .html files if they're not >>>>>> in the home (and/or, I suppose, the Snap) directory. The documentation for >>>>>> Trelby can't be read by it (installed in its normal directory). When I >>>>>> uninstall the Snap version of Firefox, it won't allow me to install the .deb >>>>>> version. They're definitely turning into control freaks at Ubuntu (kind of >>>>>> like Windows and Mac OS). >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a fan of Flatpak or Snap anymore and see them both as something >>>>> to use if you don't have a choice. I like the theory behind both, but >>>>> they often ignore your theme, take longer to load or have trouble >>>>> integrating with the rest of the system. If I absolutely had to go for >>>>> one or the other though, I would choose Flatpak even though Snap is >>>>> theoretically superior. >>>> >>>> I don't like Snaps at all. I do tolerate FlatPaks (and use a few of them) >>>> but if I knew how to make AppImages that's what I would prefer for Trelby. >>>> >>>> And it's not Snaps I really dislike, it's Ubuntu forcing them on you. >>>> There's other things I don't like about Ubuntu. It would definitely not be >>>> in my top 20 list. >>> >>> I have to admit that during the short period of time during which I used >>> Ubuntu recently, I was surprised that just about everything I was >>> running was a Snap. For security reasons, it made sense (the browser, >>> the e-mail client), but certain other things would have run just as well >>> if they were simple .deb files. They want to make Snap a standard, that >>> much is clear, and they're taking advantage of the distribution's >>> popularity to do so. >> >> I think you're right. I think they're completely sold on the "container" >> idea — everything in its own "silo" (or whatever they call it, "sandbox" >> maybe). To me that means you lose the advatage of Linux, where small >> applications are combined to create bigger applications, in one nice "flow." >> This may be a good idea for servers, but I don't think there are other ways >> to secure (harden) servers. I don't like it on a personal computer at all. >> >> I think they call these "container" distributions. Fedora has one, CoreOS, >> but they keep it separate from their standard install. That's what I wish >> Ubuntu would do as, apparently, they have something called Ubuntu Core. Save >> the damn Snaps for that. I guess the big one (so far) is Alpine. I don't >> know if these use special containers, or Snaps or Flatpaks, or what. > > I have no doubt that taking an all .deb or all .rpm approach might > result in some things breaking along the way. However, there is no doubt > that it's quite secure and much faster than the container approach. When > all the software you're getting is coming out of a repository which has > been checked thoroughly by professionals, and not anywhere on the web, > I'm not sure what the need for contained software is. Granted, Flatpak > and Snap make software which _isn't_ available to a repository available > to your choice of a distribution, and that is definitely an advantage. > Security, however, should not be the main reason for using Snap or Flatpak. Personally I like (well made) AppImages better than either Flatpaks or Snaps, but I do use about five Flatpaks. I quit using Snaps when I discovered they showed up like drive partitions when I did a _df_ to check my drive space. I didn't like that. -- “Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien