Path: ...!news.snarked.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ltlee1@hotmail.com (ltlee1) Newsgroups: soc.culture.china Subject: Re: Russia says U.S. relations are on brink of collapse Re: On Ukraine: Mearsheimer and Dugin Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 15:00:11 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <3420dd7fe88d1a7fd00e0218b941bd39@www.novabbs.com> References: <8b2f15196088a44c0a6e84ee2ce326a7@www.novabbs.com> <6a92665a9e920bd471b3a9c0f0ae7bb8@www.novabbs.com> <6ea7cd0b4496c430cf00df26a429b7e0@www.novabbs.com> <39761efa8c96a2e946bab8b60ffa507a@www.novabbs.com> <89aa72f2ccca2c66800d72daf36aa4dc@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3901586"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="pxsmGrN7Y7mF0hfJcY//7F6kiWqDRq/tZN4FOOcim3s"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$hfcV7IuBSFuQVmXQA3rtquASHcWN/zNG4TJYeUKkvl2uZ5rtD8o3. X-Rslight-Posting-User: 0099cdd7dc5bd7b25c488bf8bcfab81a117b2ffc Bytes: 3341 Lines: 43 In article <89aa72f2ccca2c66800d72daf36aa4dc@www.novabbs.com>, ltlee1 wrote: >Another pair of news from the US and from Russia- > >CNN: >https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html > >"“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be >Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He >stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid >for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth >minerals. The US president’s comments will likely delight the Kremlin, >which has illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions since launching its >full-scale invasion and seeks Ukraine’s total submission." > >Pravda: >https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/161659-klitschko-ukraine-russia-conflict/ > >"Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko suggested that the military conflict >between Russia and Ukraine could end within "a month or two. > >He struggled to specify the conditions for the conclusion of the >conflict, but predicted that they would be difficult to call positive >for Ukraine. >.. >According to Klitschko, elections will be held after the conflict ends, >potentially leading to a "fight to the death," with all political forces >participating with "roughly the same slogans." >.. >Klitschko Calls Maintaining the Army an 'Expensive Pleasure' >.. >Reports of Renewed Conflict Between Klitschko and Zelensky" The Pravda report basically lists Putin's condition to end the war: 1. Re-election and likely a pro-Russia government. 2. Recognization of the provinces currently incorporated into Russia. 3. Ukraine de-militarized. The CNN report could represent Trump's current focus. Ukraine being Russia is not his primarily concern. He wants to get as much as possible from Ukraine. He is currently sending the US Treasurer to talk with Zelenskyy. Hopefully Zelenskyy would agree to turn more Ukrainian assets to the US. Trump would then get Putin to accept these promises while negotiating with Putin.