Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies non-terminating behavior to HHH Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:40:20 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 91 Message-ID: References: <7ad847dee2cf3bc54cddc66a1e521f8a7242c01f@i2pn2.org> <50488790b3d697cccde5689919b1d1d001b01965@i2pn2.org> <666599f1e2ffe5a6cb9a405efa06ae1a51fbe6ca@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:40:21 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ed88295eddf76fadd43b844d44533dce"; logging-data="562376"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18tmG0bPl93InNEtdeSJyEU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6CEvnBXfwlxqjZzZACsk3DN4GW8= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: nl, en-GB Bytes: 6533 Op 16.feb.2025 om 04:29 schreef olcott: > On 2/15/2025 2:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 15.feb.2025 om 00:30 schreef olcott: >>> On 2/14/2025 6:58 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Fri, 14 Feb 2025 06:42:29 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 2/14/2025 3:36 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Thu, 13 Feb 2025 18:12:52 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 8:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>> Op 13.feb.2025 om 13:31 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2025 3:16 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:18:32 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 2:05 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:19:11 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/11/2025 9:23 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:38:37 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 2:48 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 08:46:21 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 6:52 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 10 Feb 2025 06:02:48 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2025 5:16 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Since there is a 5% chance that the treatment I will have next >>>>>>>>>>> month will kill me and this treatment is my only good chance I >>>>>>>>>>> will totally ignore anything that diverges from the point. >>>>>>>>>> Ok, I will wait a month then. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone that knows the C language sufficiently well knows that DD >>>>>>>>> correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Indeed, which shows the limitation of HHH which makes that it >>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>> properly decide about its input, because  it must abort the correct >>>>>>>> simulation before it sees that the correct simulation terminates >>>>>>>> normally. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The correct simulation is only the one that it sees by >>>>>>> definition. it >>>>>>> maps ITS INPUT TO THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS INPUT. >>>>>>> All of the people that think it should map the behavior of a non- >>>>>>> input >>>>>>> have always been wrong. >>>>>> What is the non-input? >>>>> >>>>> int main() >>>>> { >>>>>     DD();    // Is not an input to HHH >>>>>     HHH(DD)  // Is an input to HHH >>>>> { >>>> Oh, but we’re not interested in the behaviour of HHH(HHH(DD)). >>>> >>>>>> The input is DD, and its behaviour is that it halts. >>>>>> HHH’s simulation is not correct by definition. >>> >>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally. >>> >> >> Proving the failure to decide by simulation. >> >> > > That would be isomorphic to saying that cows prove that > mammals do not exist. > Claiming that it is isomorphic is counter factual. It has been shown before that olcott does not understand what isomorphic is. It has been proven that olcott's HHH claims non-halting for a finite string that describes a halting program and therefore fails. He seems to be desperate and starts to use words he does not understand to try to rescue his claim.