Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Isaak Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base? Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:16:06 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <8gqqljd2at10o4dc137avfugiscjg91g7g@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="13846"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:gRlou2wsMJy17NnsBVFW6lmXrFM= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C640A229782; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:16:16 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C74A229765 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tNwiY-000000000he-2jTG; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:10 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86825FD2B for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/C86825FD2B; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=curioustaxon.omy.net id 893E9DC01A9; Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:08 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:16:08 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19AClWrMCukBzQkd4jyYRmUtnOsQ0rZnCA= In-Reply-To: tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4504 On 12/17/24 5:12 PM, MarkE wrote: > On 17/12/2024 6:33 am, Mark Isaak wrote: >> What makes you think that you know enough about the universe to think >> that the problems you put forward will not likewise be obviated by >> further research? > > I don't, not with certainty. Hence I put forward possible OoL > showstoppers for scrutiny. > > To that end, do you think the following recent examples have any merit > at all? I'm not asking if you agree that they're a problem, rather, is > there any legitimacy in addressing them as potentional problems for OoL? > - the tar paradox Probably not a problem. It's easy to imagine mechanisms that could separate productive products from counterproductive ones. > - supply of concentrated nucleotides unbroken for millions of years A problem, yes, but only in the sense that solving any puzzle is a problem. A showstarter (where research is the show), not a showstopper. Also, millions of years may be unnecessary. I suspect that one bottleneck of abiogenesis is for the proper conditions to come together, but once they do, a huge step could be taken in months, perhaps hours. I might be completely wrong about that, but then, others might be wrong about thinking optimum conditions must persist for millions of years. -- Mark Isaak "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell