Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: More fake science: Your Vegan ancestors Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 13:22:41 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="18991"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:U0nqZ+vL8IsjT3lpqJJzYqhAI5A= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 5C18522978C; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:22:46 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ECDF229783 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:22:44 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tZEP4-00000001iAG-3VJX; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:22:42 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 800735FDB9 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 19:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/800735FDB9; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 25374DC01CA; Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:22:41 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:22:41 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1803XyFB+tb86WEcR2Q8ZRoVNUW8ajuhtM= In-Reply-To: FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4146 On 1/18/2025 11:33 AM, JTEM wrote: > On 1/18/25 10:13 AM, RonO wrote: > >> There is no reason to believe that Australopithecus ate any more meat >> than chimps. > > Well it's six of one/half dozen of the other. > > But there's also a very good argument to be made that we are > not descended from Australopithecus. It was for a very long > time dismissed as an evolutionary "Cousin." > >> QUOTE: >> Lüdecke notes that the findings don’t mean A. africanus couldn’t have >> occasionally exploited a meaty meal. The results also don’t rule out >> the primates eating lots of termites — a reliable, high-energy food — >> since they contain relatively less of the form of nitrogen elevated in >> mammalian meat. >> END QUOTE: >> >> The picture is of a robust Australopithecine that had huge teeth for >> processing vegetation.  They seemed to be equiped to process >> vegetation that even chimps could not eat.  Leakey called A. robustus >> nutcracker man back in the 1960's. > > Well many claim to see both a gracile & robust Australopithecus, with > a diet separating the two. But there is an argument that > Australopithecus isn't even an ancestor. It's one of the VERY frequent > criticisms of paleo anthropology where anything they pluck out of the > ground is dubbed an ancestor then shoehorned into some savanna idiocy. > > These veggy-lusting-ancestor kick is pure politics, and nothing more. > The article that you posted was about Australopithecines. Ron Okimoto