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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 17:13:16 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 238 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 18:13:16 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d9a47fe6a201060db2685fbce8d1be5e"; logging-data="218759"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19D9ucQqv+/CRPnzCQ6KKAF" User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Cancel-Lock: sha1:cnMjj02F807QaJqC5qcU0h/kxh8= Bytes: 12023 On Feb 1, 2025 at 9:04:13 AM PST, "moviePig" wrote: > On 1/31/2025 6:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> On Jan 31, 2025 at 3:25:01 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote: >> >>> On 1/31/2025 5:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 2:20:52 PM PST, "moviePig" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 1/31/2025 4:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 12:36:27 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/31/2025 1:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2025 at 9:37:23 AM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 6:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 2:43:15 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 4:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 12:13:03 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2025 1:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2025 at 9:47:35 AM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/29/2025 11:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2025 at 8:37:20 PM PST, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protesters" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-cancel-student-visas-all-hamas-sympathizers-white-house-2025-01-29/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a deportable offense under the U.S. Code for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resident alien to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate for or express support for a terrorist organization. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, I'm guessing this administration would've championed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations from Skokie in '77. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was there a designated terrorist organization involved in Skokie, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the participants resident aliens or American citizens? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is "pro-Palestine" a terrorist organization? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice try. Waving the actual flag of Hamas is not simply >>>>>>>>>>>> 'pro-Palestine'. >>>>>>>>>>>> Neither is chanting the official Hamas motto from its own charter: >>>>>>>>>>>> "From the >>>>>>>>>>>> river to the sea." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is pro-Nazi not? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The American Nazi Party was not a designated terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>> organization and >>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>> if it was, all those marching were American citizens, not resident >>>>>>>>>>>> aliens. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "A designated terrorist organization" sounds a lot like "It's >>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>> when WE do it". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regardless, if a group hasn't been listed as a designated terrorist >>>>>>>>>> group by >>>>>>>>>> the Department of State, then the statute does not apply. Back in >>>>>>>>>> the 70s, >>>>>>>>>> when the Skokie march occurred, the American Nazi Party was not a >>>>>>>>>> designated >>>>>>>>>> terrorist organization, nor were the participants foreign nationals. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Trump is punishing these students for their speech >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, he's enforcing American immigration law, something that you >>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>> can't stand, and which Biden failed to do for four straight >>>>>>>>>> years. No, >>>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>> wrong. Biden didn't fail to do it. That implies a lack of intent. He >>>>>>>>>> refused >>>>>>>>>> to do it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> once again leveraging populist spleen to flout bedrock American >>>>>>>>>>> principles. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's not an American principle to allow agents of violent foreign >>>>>>>>>> jihadists >>>>>>>>>> that hate America to come to this country and radicalize our own >>>>>>>>>> population >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> their cause. That is in no way, shape, or form something the 1st >>>>>>>>>> Amendment >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> intended to protect. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can't fathom any free-speech advocate's support of this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't fathom your constant opposition to most of >>>>>>>>>> what the 1st >>>>>>>>>> Amendment *does* protect, so we'll call it a wash. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Call it a whitewash, because it is. These students are being punished >>>>>>>>> for voicing support of Palestine >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If they're hoisting the flag of Hamas and chanting "from the river >>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>> sea", then they're doing a lot more than voicing support for >>>>>>>> Palestine. >>>>>>>> American citizens are allowed to do that but if you're a guest in our >>>>>>>> country >>>>>>>> you better be on your best behavior and not go all in for a terrorist >>>>>>>> organization that advocates for the destruction of America. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We don't need you here. You have no right to be here. So endorsing >>>>>>>> a group >>>>>>>> whose stated goal is the destruction of our country (along with >>>>>>>> Israel) >>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>> here as our guest has consequences. Fuck around and find out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Suffice to suppose that, if this deportation initiative were >>>>>>>>> Democratic, >>>>>>>>> you'd be apoplectic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd be apoplectic because I'd be shocked to my core that the current >>>>>>>> crop of >>>>>>>> Democrats were actually deporting anyone for anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My idiotic mayor, fresh off her spectacularly appalling performance >>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wildfires, was on TV yesterday reassuring "the immigrant community" >>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>> city of Los Angeles will protect you from ICE no matter what crimes >>>>>>>> you've >>>>>>>> committed. She's literally on TV telling rapists, murderers, >>>>>>>> thieves, and >>>>>>>> narco-traffickers that she has their back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Never mind that "the immigrant community" she's so worried >>>>>>>> about has no >>>>>>>> desire >>>>>>>> to have those violent shitbags turned loose on their streets any >>>>>>>> more than >>>>>>>> anyone else does. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I get that you're pleased with the practical result of Trump's vendetta, >>>>>>> just as (I assume) you're pleased that we've let Trump skate on >>>>>>> attempted election corruption. I just can't see how you're comfortable >>>>>>> with the cost to our basic principles (...with more likely to follow). >>>>>> >>>>>> What basic principles require us to tolerate the presence of illegal >>>>>> aliens >>>>>> at >>>>>> all, let alone illegal aliens that commit depraved violent crimes >>>>>> against >>>>>> our >>>>>> citizens? >>>>> >>>>> So, the ends justify the means? >>>> >>>> Still waiting for you to describe what basic principles require us to >>>> tolerate >>>> the presence of illegal aliens at all, let alone illegal aliens that >>>> commit >>>> depraved violent crimes against our citizens? >>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========