Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: "Kerr-Mudd, John" Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Causal determinism and non-materialist atheism Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:14:04 +0000 Organization: Dis Lines: 20 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <20250103131404.4cdd218a26c336a706ec5854@127.0.0.1> References: <6137078335c65548999ebb8dd396ad80@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="96507"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:lATbtj0BOp0k5hp4LcS/YWvdJjk= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 1979C229782; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 08:14:13 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4A2F229765 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 08:14:10 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tThV7-000000017fb-3Ttq; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 14:14:05 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93CF65FD3E for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/93CF65FD3E; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=127.0.0.1 id 08E69DC01A9; Fri, 3 Jan 2025 14:14:02 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 14:14:02 +0100 (CET) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/AMT9x9AqMKh7wqEZIczeldHsz66E+NLPbiTstNgihLA== tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3377 On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:54:41 +1100 MarkE wrote: [Major snip] [about cardinal numbers] > > It would be conventional to say that God makes allowances for our human > limitations and sensory errors. At a fair and just school, a student is > not condemned for not getting 100% in a test; they are in trouble for > cheating, bullying, etc. Our moral accountability suggests that we are > not robots whose actions are entirely bound by causal determinism. > > Are moral sensibilities so easily dismissed as unknowable without a god? Try "tit-for-tat" as an [at minimum] "ethical" strategy. It works without any divine intervention. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug