Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: FDA wants to test cheese made from raw milk Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 07:44:56 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="23552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:KQbCPFh+w8HYNYEWmdsmIM4LEjQ= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 153D2229782; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 08:45:09 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B5E3229765 for ; Wed, 01 Jan 2025 08:45:06 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 501Diwj2850852 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2025 14:44:59 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B7005FD69 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2025 13:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/5B7005FD69; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id D500BDC01A9; Wed, 1 Jan 2025 14:44:56 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 14:44:56 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+ofksP6NXZfj2PVpmCwY9CE62srnsMBDY= Content-Language: en-US FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4394 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-testing-aged-raw-cows-milk-cheese-bird-flu/story?id=117222065 The FDA announced that they were going to test cheese made from raw milk for the dairy virus. I do not think that any one thinks that the virus could survive the 60 day aging process required to sell cheese made from raw cows milk, but the FDA is going to test the cheese anyway. What should be noted is that the FDA still has not acted on their claims that they would verify the safety of pasteurization 2 months ago, actually 3 months ago because they first claimed that they were going to do it Oct 3rd the same day that the CDC published their article indicating that the dairy virus could survive the most common pasteurization method and survive in refrigerated milk for 4 days. The FDA proposed a stupid protocol that was designed to fail to test the milk supply accurately. They claimed to be looking for volunteer dairies and milk processing plants, when what they needed to do was go to plants in regions that were known to have infected herds and test the milk coming into random plants and then test the milk after pasteurization. They needed to review the process and determine if the current pasteurization methods were being employed properly, and how the process was quality checked and maintained. That never seems to have happened. The child in California whose only contact with dairy cattle was the milk they drank and the same with the Missouri patient indicate that the pasteurization process may fail often enough to have infective virus in dairy products. The process might be 100% effective when it is implemented properly, but the FDA needed to determine where the failure points were like start up, maintenance and shift changes. The milk may be 99.9% safe, but that doesn't help the people that drink that 0.1%. Ron Okimoto