Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: MarkE Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Ool - out at first base? Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:08:33 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: <53e7mjtgvtlg456u5j3fl5a566grd04fih@4ax.com> <47l9mj1h6n87i72ia0p79a2e06bf4bpuag@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="67548"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fh3CNqL8tmvQ8OQh5GD8oqkI/E4= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 64668229782; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 23:08:44 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3662A229765 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 23:08:42 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from ) id 1tOUJa-00000002UZI-1KdY; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 05:08:38 +0100 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 040D65FD33 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 04:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/040D65FD33; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 5CE70DC01A9; Fri, 20 Dec 2024 05:08:34 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 05:08:34 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX180T/TF4eHP8VgPtlRvoFsxN/a6k/GE1ZY= In-Reply-To: <47l9mj1h6n87i72ia0p79a2e06bf4bpuag@4ax.com> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4814 On 20/12/2024 1:23 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 12:42:24 +1100, MarkE wrote: > >> On 20/12/2024 10:32 am, Vincent Maycock wrote: >>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 09:25:27 +1100, MarkE wrote: >>> >>>> On 20/12/2024 5:50 am, Vincent Maycock wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 17:33:39 +1100, MarkE wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 19/12/2024 5:17 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:10:27 +1100, MarkE wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> God conceived of all created things before they came into being. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How could we test this claim? >>>>>> >>>>>> Die. >>>>> >>>>> Do you plan on killing yourself to test the claim? >>>> >>>> No need, we both will get to test this claim soon enough. >>> >>> Why should anyone believe that? And how can it be considered part of >>> the scientific process when the results of the tests are inaccessible >>> to other researchers? >>> >> >> Some truths are not accessible to science. Your epistemology is incomplete. > > So you agree that you have no scientific basis for your ideas about > origins? > Let me pose a question to you (similar to Martin Harran): If after 10,000 years of concerted OoL research (say), all conceivable natural explanations and pathways have been deemed implausible (say), then we have these options: 1. Keep looking for natural causes only 2. Give up looking 3. Keep looking for natural causes, but consider supernatural agency 4. Give up looking for natural causes, but consider supernatural agency Personally, you may choose 1 or 2. My question is, do you regard 3 (or 4) as having any merit or validity? If not, what basis for discussion do we then have?