Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:25:15 +0000 Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy References: <655acbf6-05e5-69ff-8a44-9f7075aafa2e@example.net> <9RycneStTKjZETf6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com> <73idnXWOHfZXYTb6nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> From: "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" Organization: WokieSux Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:25:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 41 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-6MsZNRcjvevj97XvQO7DvOVdR9XPCwr7EpSsqMU+IbXjllgRmigwbUGlMtC+9KiTr3NwhEJHUUFJzuK!3GxD4R03Y8U8Zcv20s41VzXb7zWgpCwaPbdmvmelmlP5rU0m7MWKShACdfMi4ebgvuzZfRsYfLfD!tC+b1xn/NAZO2wiluDp6 X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4079 On 2/12/25 1:28 AM, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:50:21 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: > > >> I too lament a relative lack of 68K boxes. It was a fine chip. It is >> said IBM considered it, but the prices - purchase + design - were >> more than it wanted for a product they didn't know would be >> successful. Not sure Motorola could have produced enough of them at >> the time either. > > They had used the 8085 in the System/23 so it was somewhat familiar > territory. iirc the 68008 wasn't quite ready for prime time either and all > those dirt cheap 8bit peripherals were so enticing. I think the 86 series had 'more future possibilities' than the 8085. There were too many 8-bit systems out there already, so bumping up to 16 bit was smart for sales. Why make/compete-with "just another TRS-80" ? As for the cheap accessories, very true. Few boxes are made up in the ivory tower with unlimited funds to be had. Tech and marketing have to come to certain compromises. >> Always wanted a PET ... but didn't have the $$$ back when they were >> popular. The C64 was "better" in a number of ways, but it didn't come >> in the stylish all-in-one case > > I saw one of the 4000 series sitting on a trash can a few years ago but > sometimes I have brief flashes of sanity. The PET was way behind the > TRS-80 in sales but the C64 was a real winner. Commodore is another one of > the sad stories of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Not entirely sure why CBM crashed and burned. The IBM box changed public perceptions a bit - and all those nice plug-in slots on the board were better than the usual CBM approach of cartridges and serial peripherials. The home game market switched towards dedicated devices as well. Guess CBM management bought a faulty crystal ball.