Path: ...!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 06:16:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy References: <5cGcnReFBprdLzD6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <563e6d1d-fabb-598e-e500-0bcb847c7009@example.net> From: "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" Organization: WokieSux Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 01:16:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <563e6d1d-fabb-598e-e500-0bcb847c7009@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 53 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-s4P8DjYQYdYcHzcYSYJ4riWpBBLH70YKuudfhR1NnDlw9yj5Rnj1Jky+7MEQe8NZo/L/1QbVbjYcru+!s+JPdzsouaRnUPgHVU0ZXqWHJIJK02PZovD4+qroqOk5RGOn0Guq8zb4drUX3jcjd7+FFFzyvkYb!ImDbQogFFCe5bLb79CnF X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3433 On 2/13/25 4:07 PM, D wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> >>>>     Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better, >>>>     eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a >>>>     bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed >>>>     but WILL eventually arrive. >>> >>> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and >>> they >>> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is >>> true the >>> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable. >> >> >>  Well, I agree about "CNNs"  :-) >> >>  As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and >>  something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish >>  from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do >>  we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ? > > Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The > best trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. > A human will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit > there waiting for input. > > Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed > is when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its > own, without being hard coded or simulated through logic. > > Then we're talking AI! I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized' intelligence. The complexity increases apace. At SOME point .......... But how do we KNOW and what do we DO about it ? Those are the HARD questions. NNs seem MORE likely to yield 'consciousness', but that's a few years along. But, once again, if we realize there's "someone in there" what do we DO ? IMHO - you make them a citizen. Let 'em run for office and such.