Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 20:40:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <07258ab9-eee1-4aae-902a-ba39247d5942@att.net> <1ebbc233d6bab7878b69cae3eda48c7bbfd07f88@i2pn2.org> <4c89380adaad983f24d5d6a75842aaabbd1adced@i2pn2.org> <494bfd3b-3c70-4d8d-9c70-ce917c15fc22@att.net> <72142d82-0d71-460a-a1be-cadadf78c048@att.net> <812e64b1-c85c-48ac-a58c-e8955bc02f8c@att.net> <681bacad-63c9-45e1-ba73-4af883caae2d@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:40:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="117339"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:c2NpwESiNR4KnWnv0svJ7Hloytw= In-Reply-To: <681bacad-63c9-45e1-ba73-4af883caae2d@att.net> X-User-ID: eJwNysEBwCAIA8CVECTCOEFk/xHae58bFu7ZcGwfHwYex26+sspwm7PYLBEWwtokxRXatxT/dpx4LCVfp258b28WGw== Bytes: 3280 Lines: 48 Am 17.01.2025 um 17:53 schrieb Jim Burns: > On 1/17/2025 4:08 AM, WM wrote: >> On 16.01.2025 23:22, Jim Burns wrote: > >>> Nowhere, >>> among what appears and >>> among what doesn't appear, >>> is there finite ω-1 and infinite (ω-1)+1 >> >> So it appears because ω and ω-1 are dark. > > We never see ω and ω-1 > We see descriptions of ω and ω-1 > That is sufficient for knowledge of ω and ω-1 Dark numbers cannot be seen, if you understand by that phrase be put in a FISON. > > You (WM) introduce > negative cardinality (darkᵂᴹ numbers) > in an attempt to fit these claims together. No, I don't. > Matheologians don't use anything so fancy, Euler was not a matheologian. https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/counting/ > >> But it appears infinite like all sets which cannot be counted by FISONs. > > "cannot be counted by FISONs" > and > "larger.than.any.finite" > sound similar. > > However, matheologians don't have darkᵂᴹ sets > allegedly capable of backing a larger.than.any.finite set > down to a not.larger.than.any.finite set, > by _inserting_ elements. > > That is why you (WM) think we're crazy or stupid, > negative cardinality. Dark sets result from actual infinity and is neither finite nor negative. Regards, WM > >