Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:26:31 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <494bfd3b-3c70-4d8d-9c70-ce917c15fc22@att.net> <72142d82-0d71-460a-a1be-cadadf78c048@att.net> <812e64b1-c85c-48ac-a58c-e8955bc02f8c@att.net> <83b0763709eeeca543bf19d9d08014d75d0e2b78@i2pn2.org> <06217c76305c8c2a436ee6f75c9162864d97e399@i2pn2.org> <8ef74c55d18179ab34120ca7cc7008bb4d627e44@i2pn2.org> <4dab10f2b3f759ca30cac9436c74bad48b0426c1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:26:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ad3059a076be5126998b2dbdaa149b09"; logging-data="3266474"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Qr+bd9/28wm4wNRVqrN7GAIFUWYMJybE=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:D530GvaCmUHm7OrL8GKftqU3rEA= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3511 On 19.01.2025 13:32, Richard Damon wrote: > On 1/19/25 5:43 AM, WM wrote: > > So, you admit that your FISONs are worthless? No. FISONs are useful for showing the difference between the potentially infinite collection of definable numbers and the set ℕ. > >> Name any FISON that is required to produce ℕ by a union of FISONs. > > There is non, because you need almost ALL of the FISONS to do that, Gobbledegook. > >> >> The set of required FISONs is well defined because for every FISON we >> can decide whether it is required in the union. > > But YOU can only do that for a finite number of them, not almost all of > them. Wrong. Every set of ordinal numbers has a first one. > >> >> Further, according to set theory, every well defined set of ordinal >> numbers has a first element. The FISONs F(n) must obey this theorem >> because they can be ordered by their greates ordinals n. >> >> You simply violate this fact. > > Where? By not giving a first one. >> The error is your handwaving claim that infinitely many FISONs are >> required. Infinitely many failures will not yield a success. >> > > And YOUR "handwaving" just shows your stupidity, and inability to > understand your stupidity. > > I don't "Handwave" the claim of needing infinitely many FISONs, I can prove that no FISON is required. That is mathematics. Regards, WM