Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:28:04 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <53d93728-3442-4198-be92-5c9abe8a0a72@att.net> <9c18a839-9ab4-4778-84f2-481c77444254@att.net> <8ef20494f573dc131234363177017bf9d6b647ee@i2pn2.org> <66868399-5c4b-4816-9a0c-369aaa824553@att.net> <417ff6da-86ee-4b3a-b07a-9c6a8eb31368@att.net> <07258ab9-eee1-4aae-902a-ba39247d5942@att.net> <9f6faf842a0202b345f3912fe352044dfabfc56d@i2pn2.org> <5e1c366f8e2cfe7f5439f3d2bb65d4695d17c6b9@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:28:04 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2904003"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3201 Lines: 29 Am Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:21:43 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 10.01.2025 18:01, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 10 Jan 2025 17:19:44 +0100 schrieb WM: >>> On 10.01.2025 13:41, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 1/9/25 7:37 AM, WM wrote: >> >>> Infinite is simply infinite, no matter what the real size is. >> There is no "real size", there is only the set. > There is real size. The natural numbers have twice the size of the even > numbers. No, the even numbers are twice the naturals. >> Your expectations about cardinality do not match it. > I have no expectations about cardinality. I know that for every finite > initial segment the even numbers are about half of the natural numbers. > This does not change anywhere. It is true up to every natural number. > More are not available. You wrongly expect this to hold in the infinite. >>> You need not understand that. But the claim that different sets like ℕ >>> and ℚ are of same size shows that you have been stultified by set >>> theory. >> They have the same cardinality, defined as being bijective. > Already the bijection between even and natural numbers has been > disproved above. You are mistaken. Clearly |{1*2, 2*2, 3*2, ...}| = |N| -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.