Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 12:58:15 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <0d6d06a888e15ed2042aca8ec7e6ebb93590b7bc@i2pn2.org> <8a2aedd8383a84ceef2fd985ac0bf529e2a0eccf@i2pn2.org> <3fe6ef31f562e0ddf598de46cf864986ca909687@i2pn2.org> <9cb8aec671200bb6d71582fd607b876b7ec4c83a@i2pn2.org> <40292abc147fee5a7bdd264b69d34ddf2061e59d@i2pn2.org> <0bc3cdc8c096bba16decd94ad2af85d35da9b7b4@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:58:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="195766"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3597 Lines: 47 On 11/27/24 12:13 PM, WM wrote: > On 27.11.2024 13:32, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 11/27/24 5:12 AM, WM wrote: > >>> Of course. |{1, 2, 3, 4, ...}| = |ℕ| and |{2, 3, 4, ...}| = |ℕ| - 1 >>> is consistent. >> >> So you think, but that is because you brain has been exploded by the >> contradiction. >> >> We can get to your second set two ways, and the set itself can't know >> which. >> >> We could have built the set by the operation of removing 1 like your >> math implies, or we can get to it by the operation of increasing each >> element by its successor, which must have the same number of elements, > > Yes, the same number of elements, but not the same number of natural > numbers. > Of course they are, if n is a Natural Number, Sn (S being the Successor operator) is also one. > Hint: Decreasing every element in the real interval (0, 1] by one point > yields the real interval [0, 1). The set of points remains the same, the > set of positive points decreases by 1. But what number changes "natural number" status? > > Replacing every element of the set {0, 1, 2, 3, ...} by its successor > yields {1, 2, 3, ..., ω}. The number of ordinals remains the same, the > number of finite ordinals decreases. Nope, because omega is NOT the successor for any natural number, the successor of EVERY Natural Number is a Natural Number. Defintions you know. It it the successor for the SET of natural numbers. > > Regards, WM So, you are just showing your ignorance of the definitions things you are talking about, because you are using a logic that has gone inconsistent and blown up your brain.