Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:20:51 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <0b1bb1a1-40e3-464f-9e3d-a5ac22dfdc6f@tha.de> <95183b4d9c2e32651963bac79965313ad2bfe7e8@i2pn2.org> <33512b63716ac263c16b7d64cd1d77578c8aea9d@i2pn2.org> <62d0f2153c21d03dd687f611484b4a6dc91e00d5@i2pn2.org> <96b2e89299e7f6d24fdde41b3242ece49b6245e2@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 23:20:51 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="56e13cd58619f192c4705722631bbdc7"; logging-data="207322"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+BaS6IcawUZAoFTfF19bDCBR/h+7/WrH4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:EMoMgGsIiYcpUUedgGN55PsDdig= In-Reply-To: <96b2e89299e7f6d24fdde41b3242ece49b6245e2@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3145 On 12/14/2024 3:10 AM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 12 Dec 2024 23:03:51 +0100 schrieb WM: >> On 12.12.2024 18:29, Jeff Barnett wrote: >>> On 12/12/2024 6:59 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:01:04 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> On 10.12.2024 13:19, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The pairing is between TWO sets, not the members of a set with >>>>>> itself. >>>>> The pairing is between the elements. Otherwise you could pair R and Q >>>>> by simply claiming it. >>>>> "The infinite sequence thus defined has the peculiar property to >>>>> contain the positive rational numbers completely, and each of them >>>>> only once at a determined place." [Cantor] Note the numbers, not the >>>>> set. >>>> What Richard meant: do not confuse the set being mapped with the one >>>> being mapped onto. >>> But that's sort of what mappings are for! Aren't they? >> Dedekind maps the elements of a subset to the elements of its superset. >> Same do I. > YOU try to map N onto itself. > Is this cheating? { 1 + 0, 2 + 0, 3 + 0, ... } lol.