Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:19:04 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <3fe6ef31f562e0ddf598de46cf864986ca909687@i2pn2.org> <9cb8aec671200bb6d71582fd607b876b7ec4c83a@i2pn2.org> <40292abc147fee5a7bdd264b69d34ddf2061e59d@i2pn2.org> <0bc3cdc8c096bba16decd94ad2af85d35da9b7b4@i2pn2.org> <9896cb31-806b-40a2-a03e-dc4aea744d04@att.net> <298a18e0-a0c6-4db2-901d-da255ecace0b@tha.de> <0b2e9a84-f5b3-4f02-8f78-7781da9175af@att.net> <47ccedfd-7c29-4c1a-a411-bbb0c27726e8@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 00:19:05 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="17232c29395538db7d47c3a356e5c0c8"; logging-data="2975873"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18RtIAb9MOIMNIGqmUK7Z2WWmB/1O3CdKU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WocgamzAHCsbsh8Tl5VaEsYYV9A= In-Reply-To: <47ccedfd-7c29-4c1a-a411-bbb0c27726e8@att.net> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3399 On 11/29/2024 5:44 PM, Jim Burns wrote: > On 11/29/2024 4:29 PM, WM wrote: >> On 29.11.2024 21:54, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 11/29/2024 2:37 PM, WM wrote: >>>> On 29.11.2024 19:08, Jim Burns wrote: > >>>>> >> >> JB contradicting himself: >> >>> After all the swaps >>>  (of which no swap is a change in cardinality) >>> what remains is a proper subset >>>  (which is not a change in cardinality). > > I (JB) contradict the finiteness of > the set of all finite cardinals. > Nothing more than that. > > Change a set having a finite cardinality by 1. > The new set has a changed cardinality. > (This is essentially what 'finite cardinal' means). > > The set of finite cardinalities, > for any finite cardinal, > includes more than that cardinal. > Each finite cardinal is not the one that set has. > > Change the set of finite cardinalities by 1. > The new set has NOT changed cardinality. > The sets do not have any of > the cardinalities which would change. > The sets have a different cardinality, >  one which does not change when the set changes. > > > After all the swaps >  (of which no swap is a change in cardinality) > what remains is a proper subset >  (which is not a change in cardinality). > Because infinite. > > Infinite finite sets: { { 1 }, { 1, 2 }, { 1, 2, 3 }, { 1, 2, 3, 4 }, ... } ?