Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 20:25:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0d6d06a888e15ed2042aca8ec7e6ebb93590b7bc@i2pn2.org> <8a2aedd8383a84ceef2fd985ac0bf529e2a0eccf@i2pn2.org> <3fe6ef31f562e0ddf598de46cf864986ca909687@i2pn2.org> <9cb8aec671200bb6d71582fd607b876b7ec4c83a@i2pn2.org> <40292abc147fee5a7bdd264b69d34ddf2061e59d@i2pn2.org> <0bc3cdc8c096bba16decd94ad2af85d35da9b7b4@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 19:25:45 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="527079"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SiTsfYF3ZoFZ2IG+ZAG9BlYryA8= X-User-ID: eJwFwYEVREEEA8CWeJKgHGdP/yX8GYZcmxAFHu+VRvPqz7guTIsb8/K8ucafj52skOO+TCBjbMVodqL5AVBRFIo= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3207 Lines: 33 On 27.11.2024 19:19, FromTheRafters wrote: > WM explained : >> On 27.11.2024 13:32, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 11/27/24 5:12 AM, WM wrote: >> >>>> Of course. |{1, 2, 3, 4, ...}| = |ℕ| and |{2, 3, 4, ...}| = |ℕ| - 1 >>>> is consistent. >>> >>> So you think, but that is because you brain has been exploded by the >>> contradiction. >>> >>> We can get to your second set two ways, and the set itself can't know >>> which. >>> >>> We could have built the set by the operation of removing 1 like your >>> math implies, or we can get to it by the operation of increasing each >>> element by its successor, which must have the same number of elements, >> >> Yes, the same number of elements, but not the same number of natural >> numbers. >> >> Hint: Decreasing every element in the real interval (0, 1] by one >> point yields the real interval [0, 1). The set of points remains the >> same, the set of positive points decreases by 1. > > If you have a successor function for the real numbers, why don't you > share it with the rest of the world? I don't because almost all real numbers are dark. Nevertheless we know that the interval (0, 1] contains all small positive numbers. Hence shifting it by 1 point we get [0, 1). Regards, WM