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From: DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: To sum up
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:03:25 -0600
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On 2025-02-23 5:57 a.m., Ernest Major wrote:
> On 23/02/2025 06:19, Mark Isaak wrote:
>> On 2/14/25 8:14 PM, MarkE wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2025 1:53 pm, Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>> On 2/8/25 5:06 AM, MarkE wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My argument is therefore, as complexity goes up, the challenges to 
>>>>> naturalistic OOL and evolution also increase.
>>>>
>>>> Evolution produces complexity without the least concern. Design 
>>>> tries to minimize it and create simplicity. As complexity goes up, 
>>>> the challenge to designed OOL also increases.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Evolution produces complexity without the least concern."
>>>
>>> You're making an assertion about a fundamental contention, i.e. the 
>>> capability of evolution.
>>>
>>> Do you realise that's what you're doing?
>>>
>>> Do you realise that's neither an argument nor a rebuttal?
>>
>> I am thinking of the products of evolutionary algorithms. They get 
>> quite complex. And no wonder, since there is nothing inherent in the 
>> algorithms to limit complexity. On the other hand, complexity *is* 
>> limited by the algorithms of intelligent design, since the design 
>> needs to be simple enough for designers (and repairers and 
>> maintainers) to understand it.
>>
> 
> An omnipotent omniscient designer isn't limited by an ability to 
> comprehend the complexity. ID people get to resort to "mysterious ways 
> beyond human understanding".
> 
Absolutely. Of course, that 'explanation' has the same explanatory power 
as "beats me".

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Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)