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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 10:10:11 +0100
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Op 05.mrt.2025 om 06:21 schreef olcott:
> On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 3/4/25 11:51 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 3/4/25 7:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/4/25 9:17 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>> I wonder why Olcott keeps repeating that HHH fails to reach the 
>>>>>>>> 'ret' instruction, where the direct execution or world-class 
>>>>>>>> simulators have no problem to reach the 'ret' instruction of 
>>>>>>>> exactly the same finite string as input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
>>>>>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
>>>>>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, 
>>>>>
>>>>> Meaning:
>>>>> (a) You don't have a clue how to do this all of your
>>>>> rebuttals have been pure bluster with zero technical
>>>>> competence behind them.
>>>>>
>>>>> (b) You know that I am correct and are simply lying.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, it just proves that 
>>>
>>> Dodging this point is your only rebuttal to it:
>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
>>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And you are just dodging that the HHH that correctly emualates its 
>> input, will never answer when given a DD built on it, so it isn't the 
>> needed decider.
>>
> 
> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
Ys it fails to do a correct simulation, because it cannot possibly reach 
the 'ret' instruction that other methods have no problem with. So it 
correctly reports its failure to do a correct simulation.